From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 2418 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2021 18:36:22 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 6 Jun 2021 18:36:22 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 54F1B9C9F0; Mon, 7 Jun 2021 04:36:19 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DFB19C9DA; Mon, 7 Jun 2021 04:35:56 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b="n4rLQY9f"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 037059C9DA; Mon, 7 Jun 2021 04:35:54 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qt1-f182.google.com (mail-qt1-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2BE869C9D6 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2021 04:35:53 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qt1-f182.google.com with SMTP id l17so6922934qtq.12 for ; Sun, 06 Jun 2021 11:35:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=m6MiTbiDA+eJrkm9iW3L+gc8tPm7TqgWVB+ajv1cFO0=; b=n4rLQY9f/K3XyALEFlf64rD8ZgcySZ9AlPyW93M2jvjBCIYlrnS1LzX1dYr3F6B0uw bco2PqltoPd1i1neGF4b/FCPHteNaGhWuc7I5IdEP7uYMpf7k4FgdqxU33UMlb2SMdYI nP4PLEDfgjl4+crVIqRcUnkxM3jHILTONSyFM= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=m6MiTbiDA+eJrkm9iW3L+gc8tPm7TqgWVB+ajv1cFO0=; b=Lw2DJ1NwUAir6cw5WN4HF/ncLp05jUrTRF10C1dSKo6l9b6dDw/UtYQP6KB6/f6qzW mpKMHwMbE6LAgGxNgKyG8VpCb4pbQXYPSzypoNKhWAbjVAk1EcQ8jkgyELSjpZwye0kZ 0fmELzrYXg9HH/Wd+qGUwzIpmJ8fevN3c6iSEUzgh9EQo33rcETWzur6J+tssYZec4hJ UY8TrRvhFrf0E44F5CfLt7w1E95rtcaISjqrOViqz4cwM/xMcrspuZbKbfcILilinJ8j 1bGCjgAKHR0aM/3YB0DN04h5LTFMDdZeuL0KalOQuEGaA9ubqy3P/GI8Q35xjHHOaCP9 1Geg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533Roj3GcMjBk7WWLC/CZygch8u+ubEy5k5xMkN+enzVBdHvV6/s nSujVD6CSimauqI1tsJ/J5jQ71FOV/cnqyo5AboeDg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzjy7mrvi3jpHKtoNLPxaVMrQi7Jiy/PjQbkbtzph12RCn94YV+TBZkwI0LSKmql16RkcADnNK6aX66i1Psqmc= X-Received: by 2002:a05:622a:1304:: with SMTP id v4mr13695637qtk.33.1623004552129; Sun, 06 Jun 2021 11:35:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9CE2AC05-6B4E-475F-874F-426DD51A8859@planet.nl> <20210606183011.GA10697@mcvoy.com> In-Reply-To: <20210606183011.GA10697@mcvoy.com> From: Clem Cole Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2021 14:35:26 -0400 Message-ID: To: Larry McVoy Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000cc881305c41d3147" Subject: Re: [TUHS] 32V memory management: not quite V7 style swapping -- source code update X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list , Paul Ruizendaal Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000cc881305c41d3147 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 4.2 had networking, 4.1 did not. 32V did not either. I'm asking 32V vs 4.1 =E1=90=A7 On Sun, Jun 6, 2021 at 2:30 PM Larry McVoy wrote: > BSD had networking. Once you had that, you don't look back. Sys V (and > prior) so far as I know, didn't get networking until Coherent did their > STREAMS stack that somehow ended up at Lachman - I ported it to a crazy > super computer and to SCO Unix. SCO was pretty stock AT&T code and let > me tell you, it felt pretty crappy after having used BSD and then SunOS. > It was a giant step backwards. > > I just think the BSD folks were moving forward faster. Rob with start > talking about cat waving its tail, I get it, not everything was better > but a lot was. Solid networking that performed was very pleasant. > > On Sun, Jun 06, 2021 at 02:23:49PM -0400, Clem Cole wrote: > > Paul, > > > > You got me thinking and I'm curious if anyone really knows historically > how > > many sites ran a 32V system? In those days (late 70s/early 80s) the > > universities that knew and and even many sites inside the Bell System, > the > > Vaxen I ran 4.1BSD (say the Marx's brothers at Whippany along with the > Vax > > in the underseas research lab were we put the AP I did for my thesis). > > There were a couple in Summit I know, and probably Homdel and I'm > guessing > > in some of the operating companies, but I never got the feeling 32V was > > popular. The folks with Vaxen that I knew, if you were able to run BSD > > (4.1 and eventually 4.2), did. Later on the only non-'pure-joy' system= s > I > > knew were a couple of Ultrix systems because they wanted the support fr= om > > DEC and IIRC were using FORTRAN and wanted the DEC compiler which only > ran > > on Ultrix or VMS. Inside of AT&T, I personally think I knew more folks > > with VMS (Fortran being the key anchor) than those that ran 32V. > > ??? > > -- > --- > Larry McVoy lm at mcvoy.com > http://www.mcvoy.com/lm > --000000000000cc881305c41d3147 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
4.2 had networking, 4.1 did not.=C2=A0 =C2=A032V did no= t either.=C2=A0 I'm asking 32V vs 4.1
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On = Sun, Jun 6, 2021 at 2:30 PM Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com> wrote:
BSD had networking.=C2=A0 Once you had that, you don't loo= k back.=C2=A0 Sys V (and
prior) so far as I know, didn't get networking until Coherent did their=
STREAMS stack that somehow ended up at Lachman - I ported it to a crazy
super computer and to SCO Unix.=C2=A0 SCO was pretty stock AT&T code an= d let
me tell you, it felt pretty crappy after having used BSD and then SunOS. It was a giant step backwards.

I just think the BSD folks were moving forward faster.=C2=A0 Rob with start=
talking about cat waving its tail, I get it, not everything was better
but a lot was.=C2=A0 Solid networking that performed was very pleasant.

On Sun, Jun 06, 2021 at 02:23:49PM -0400, Clem Cole wrote:
> Paul,
>
> You got me thinking and I'm curious if anyone really knows histori= cally how
> many sites ran a 32V system?=C2=A0 =C2=A0In those days (late 70s/early= 80s) the
> universities that knew and and even many sites inside the Bell System,= the
> Vaxen I ran 4.1BSD (say the Marx's brothers at Whippany along with= the Vax
> in the underseas research lab were we put the AP I did for my thesis).=
> There were a couple in Summit I know, and probably Homdel and I'm = guessing
> in some of the operating companies, but I never got the feeling 32V wa= s
> popular.=C2=A0 The folks with Vaxen that I knew, if you were able to r= un BSD
> (4.1 and eventually 4.2), did.=C2=A0 Later on the only non-'pure-j= oy' systems I
> knew were a couple of Ultrix systems because they wanted the support f= rom
> DEC and IIRC were using FORTRAN and wanted the DEC compiler which only= ran
> on Ultrix or VMS.=C2=A0 Inside of AT&T, I personally think I knew = more folks
> with VMS (Fortran being the key anchor)=C2=A0 than those that ran 32V.=
> ???

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