From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 1ac22ccf for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2019 13:58:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 01A0E9BD15; Wed, 28 Aug 2019 23:58:11 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D53D49BC9A; Wed, 28 Aug 2019 23:57:53 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b="ahpQ4kpb"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id E173D9BC9A; Wed, 28 Aug 2019 23:57:52 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-wm1-f46.google.com (mail-wm1-f46.google.com [209.85.128.46]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3344D9BC99 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2019 23:57:52 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-wm1-f46.google.com with SMTP id o184so158461wme.3 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2019 06:57:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=HoZyt0qqC2e+GvdZYyDO9cngpi0qFqZbQOx8BIRpobY=; b=ahpQ4kpbFNOVPQuLK8qey9uoI5hNetKnTGnJyf5jLYDXX/9kpgEgNrjI4h0SfEBYnI 4a2voMgKPtTNi+4DmplfyCqzEE3Otix83lp1JNFWnQmgUG7LZt0X869wsU3p7uzNg1h6 ZHEFKTZmoe63F4RkyLc7kzbLzTKjly+CYAgSI= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=HoZyt0qqC2e+GvdZYyDO9cngpi0qFqZbQOx8BIRpobY=; b=jxfLL23gVu04jPPebBKxBtb5oVhGbpSxctqTaNt4ghRAyjIBBTj7bxFzE5aUnqdCRW yvcR2tVHJ5mzWA1UCQvPv2LOjhpI4AZwMTPm+niMZkiWTC1+zwviShMV6BLx+HDoKzjq 0PcJn04LODVkt323ZWEz8O/GqL92zp+A4I+N/AFbZOUW/yb1yGqWt9UjorFmK05pA4Z2 AnDWpZT86XSjohxq1Zb0o5l/8b9gZBZm7Oen3VtIWjJ+En/dvQNHkU19zgp+fZGmvO2P AE7jFeSBqh554jjAw/c1t1qgN0MDKLPelIsgqvmVy1up4FAQk6T0vRKMy86pu8YRxobO 2mFw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAV5xZtH7nuMuLpycHMpNk6TKTbs+SM42tXUmjPByau69xBmgmET qMCL8Xm7vjuL3UeafTBm68pLnhx3KNhPIP+GCZxSkg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwufw4c1BRyDHmBHHcMXt2r9EY/M/bX92FArF7Cmo3PIv1Nq9FHhsxqvPx2EddVAd2Z9kbpHb/PJQQ+1y21MzM= X-Received: by 2002:a7b:ca54:: with SMTP id m20mr5170034wml.102.1567000670649; Wed, 28 Aug 2019 06:57:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20190827003013.GS13570@mcvoy.com> <312b39a1-2944-100f-55e0-fc65b504d43d@kilonet.net> <20190827024511.GU13570@mcvoy.com> <20190827145556.GD13570@mcvoy.com> <20190827224002.GB15511@mcvoy.com> <20190828063045.GE75146@server.rulingia.com> In-Reply-To: <20190828063045.GE75146@server.rulingia.com> From: Clem Cole Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 09:57:24 -0400 Message-ID: To: Peter Jeremy Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000005654b205912dc60b" Subject: Re: [TUHS] If not Linux, then what? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --0000000000005654b205912dc60b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 2:46 AM Peter Jeremy wrote: > There was ISODE (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_Development_Environment > ). > I recall experimenting with it but didn't actually use it in anger. > Ditto. > > I know that DEC/Compaq/HP Tru64 Unix (nee OSF/1) came with a OSI stack - > we had customers who wanted/used FTAM and I was surprised to find it > came with the OS. > Tru64 talked to DECnet Phase X (I don't remember which one, maybe 4 or 5), which had become an ISO/OSI stack by that point for political reasons inside of Digital (the OSI vs TCP war reminded me of the Pascal vs C and VMS vs UNIX wars - all very silly in retrospect, but I guess it was really about who got which $s for development). Clem --0000000000005654b205912dc60b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 2:46= AM Peter Jeremy <peter@rulingia.c= om> wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org= /wiki/ISO_Development_Environment).
I recall experimenting with it but didn't actually use it in anger.
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Ditto.
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I know that DEC/Compaq/HP Tru64 Unix (nee OSF/1) came with a OSI stack - we had customers who wanted/used FTAM and I was surprised to find it
came with the OS.
Tru64 talked to DECnet Phase X = (I don't remember which one, maybe 4 or 5), which had become an ISO/OSI= stack by that point for political reasons inside of Digital (the OSI vs TC= P war reminded me of the Pascal vs C and VMS vs UNIX wars - all very silly = in retrospect, but I guess it was really about who got which $s for develop= ment).

Clem
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