From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,URIBL_SBL,URIBL_SBL_A autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 509eb228 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2019 21:23:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 5CA8B93D55; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 07:23:36 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E26D93D4A; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 07:23:19 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b="D/ukIYF/"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id BF7FC93D4A; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 07:23:17 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qv1-f66.google.com (mail-qv1-f66.google.com [209.85.219.66]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 32E4F93D47 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2019 07:23:17 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qv1-f66.google.com with SMTP id d3so1969847qvs.11 for ; Sat, 09 Nov 2019 13:23:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=AiQw9i9ZDHqN6sMHlUe/1L4mkdxxzo8DDlU+U1/KMXc=; b=D/ukIYF/3o1SzajjMb7TVpXjjSReJlRShcAViJsn8QuyWl+TC1mN3g9X3bfvuuhPFK nBmNA6vsIuYY8mrqoq2NXTrxtedlZkhtGfc5x/DuSumbROsV3gBqWL8QXwdAtf+ZIBb4 fQzBT8Md8e8IdaHNBlsNkql1BWPOBar2MIWGc= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=AiQw9i9ZDHqN6sMHlUe/1L4mkdxxzo8DDlU+U1/KMXc=; b=N7uaHb385U7KnzvwXWq2VCKQBtr3vgU6lBEJuOGayZd7HmdocBdAgsggK0hyCRIhst Qhf/uJY9SHll2n7Dni3DqnXtMur+DsKIJCkoVqmbpLYaFlts5WazKZGSUgIGIRuukNOS FA9pTTWibZj2f/jI1o6YOu4qs5n5hXCgJ9i0FnKoyrFuSfwD51daUb5Obn9DxFJwIrSn txNdPMP1HP2DCOVugXk/0giMff3LH7ReMMUsa35zAe3rGZK5RMLs4QKulHgcvK+w5/Ut 2Tor8sdHQQ/A4DMmdpRFB09jh0DxzqDh0NxmXVCs8fHN2xCjCQ3vY9SuhHi4vP/Ty3zL TRkw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVSfZWDxmhxpNKfc7XkYHene+v0CdzetzKzq8qH8Q0lyFhaxOKY 2/c4F/vxwB5X+nIhf5PYd7VzdTlpQ2FEsSdBkXazJb1C X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyDGienlB7JmlDTX7WShM19B94Vk05zSNUUKHzC3Ep0t+kjMp+fxjyuCdXOJzJOjK4BF8Q4qdmGJCLrEublOfg= X-Received: by 2002:a0c:ee90:: with SMTP id u16mr13029876qvr.56.1573334596008; Sat, 09 Nov 2019 13:23:16 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <2ce9495a-b877-91be-ff5b-5516b8269562@gmail.com> <972b4dbb-e62f-f369-153b-e1892506b72d@mhorton.net> In-Reply-To: <972b4dbb-e62f-f369-153b-e1892506b72d@mhorton.net> From: Clem Cole Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2019 16:23:04 -0500 Message-ID: To: Mary Ann Horton Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000b556220596f08176" Subject: Re: [TUHS] UNIX or unix X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000b556220596f08176 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In fact ATT legal had a document they sent to all commercial licensees around 1980 on proper use of the name. I wonder if I still have/can find a copy. But the lawyers were pretty clear. It was UNIX with =E2=84=A2 and la= ter the R with a circle around beside the all caps letters after they registered it. It was that letter that started all the names like Xenix, Ultrix, HP-UX, SunOS, RTU etc. On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 4:06 PM Mary Ann Horton wrote: > I just finished Brian Kernighan's book (excellent!) and he addresses > this in section 7.6. (Yes, he wrote the book in troff.) > > He prefers "Unix" and wrote it that way except for this section. He says > "Bell Labs' legal guardians decided that the name Unix was a valuable > trademark that had to be protected..." Legal mostly required it to be > used as an adjective "The UNIX TM operating system", and how the ms > macros produced a small caps "UNIX" (and a footnote on the first > reference). He's clear that the 1127 folks hated the requirements from > legal. > > It is true that the file which contains the kernel was /unix, or /vmunix > for Berkeley Unix, but that's the name of the file, not the proper name > of the operating system for English prose. By convention, virtually all > Unix files were in lower case. > > Mary Ann > > On 11/9/19 12:36 PM, Derrik Walker v2.0 wrote: > > On 11/9/19 12:20 PM, Nemo Nusquam wrote: > >> I was reading the comments on Hackaday on UNIX at 50 > >> (https://hackaday.com/2019/11/05/will-the-real-unix-please-stand-up/). > >> As expected, a lot of manure but some interesting comments from > >> seemingly knowledgeable people. > >> > >> One comment > >> ( > https://hackaday.com/2019/11/05/will-the-real-unix-please-stand-up/#comme= nt-6192977), > > >> from a DDS, stated that (s)he worked at The Bell and they wrote it > >> "unix" (lower-case) to distinguish it from MULTICS. Anyone care to > >> comment on this? > >> > >> N. > > > > It was always my understanding, based totally on hearsay from > > engineers from both Sun and SGI back in my early days with it, UNIX is > > the OS, while unix, or vmunix is the kernel. Unix was deprecated by > > the time it became a real commercial product. > > > > So, right or wrong, I've always used UNIX for the OS, and unix, or > > vmunix as appropriate, to refer to the kernel. > > > > - Derrik > > > --=20 Sent from a handheld expect more typos than usual --000000000000b556220596f08176 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In fact ATT legal had a document they sent to all co= mmercial licensees around 1980 on proper use of the name.=C2=A0 I wonder if= I still have/can find a copy.=C2=A0 But the lawyers were pretty clear. It = was UNIX with =E2=84=A2 and later the R with a circle around beside the all= caps letters after they registered it. =C2=A0

It was that letter that started all the names = like Xenix, Ultrix, HP-UX, SunOS, RTU etc. =C2=A0=C2=A0

On Sat, Nov 9, = 2019 at 4:06 PM Mary Ann Horton <mah@= mhorton.net> wrote:
I just f= inished Brian Kernighan's book (excellent!) and he addresses
this in section 7.6. (Yes, he wrote the book in troff.)

He prefers "Unix" and wrote it that way except for this section. = He says
"Bell Labs' legal guardians decided that the name Unix was a valua= ble
trademark that had to be protected..." Legal mostly required it to be =
used as an adjective "The UNIX TM operating system", and how the = ms
macros produced a small caps "UNIX" (and a footnote on the first =
reference). He's clear that the 1127 folks hated the requirements from =
legal.

It is true that the file which contains the kernel was /unix, or /vmunix for Berkeley Unix, but that's the name of the file, not the proper name=
of the operating system for English prose.=C2=A0 By convention, virtually a= ll
Unix files were in lower case.

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Mary Ann

On 11/9/19 12:36 PM, Derrik Walker v2.0 wrote:
> On 11/9/19 12:20 PM, Nemo Nusquam wrote:
>> I was reading the comments on Hackaday on UNIX at 50
>> (https://hackaday.com/20= 19/11/05/will-the-real-unix-please-stand-up/).
>> As expected, a lot of manure but some interesting comments from >> seemingly knowledgeable people.
>>
>> One comment
>> (https:/= /hackaday.com/2019/11/05/will-the-real-unix-please-stand-up/#comment-619297= 7),
>> from a DDS, stated that (s)he worked at The Bell and they wrote it=
>> "unix" (lower-case) to distinguish it from MULTICS.=C2= =A0 Anyone care to
>> comment on this?
>>
>> N.
>
> It was always my understanding, based totally on hearsay from
> engineers from both Sun and SGI back in my early days with it, UNIX is=
> the OS, while unix, or vmunix is the kernel. Unix was deprecated by > the time it became a real commercial product.
>
> So, right or wrong, I've always used UNIX for the OS, and unix, or=
> vmunix as appropriate, to refer to the kernel.
>
> - Derrik
>
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