From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 7796 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2021 19:24:22 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 6 Jun 2021 19:24:22 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 081899C9EB; Mon, 7 Jun 2021 05:24:21 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAAB09C9DA; Mon, 7 Jun 2021 05:24:03 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b="P3PIs9YG"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 616419C9DA; Mon, 7 Jun 2021 05:24:02 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qk1-f182.google.com (mail-qk1-f182.google.com [209.85.222.182]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DC3699C9D6 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2021 05:24:01 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qk1-f182.google.com with SMTP id h20so14676412qko.11 for ; Sun, 06 Jun 2021 12:24:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=bpcWd3nBXZLt6rRmUWjocVYV3D7AvNXjd+CUo6xNBTQ=; b=P3PIs9YGyaJRT0WET22+LdVYdLgrZ3mkeCbY1SsFNX1/MHTdi5KJQ+3XjgjeErmqXp O3kanQUqP7VzBUN1uYJc9p0dBshrJuMozYSs6yFGhGaAqSxu3NNZg0UpjavA3x8qv7bo 0i3XQa8qsY7JF57FSGyKaQevDHRE0q5iNzfz0= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=bpcWd3nBXZLt6rRmUWjocVYV3D7AvNXjd+CUo6xNBTQ=; b=r0mB4WyjBYryOR3UyiQoaMtCTwM8n35v8K7/ZMc+Aecq153lxRilfkWXAJbROeN/F/ SXzncvyaWFaOEB3SbOEuwkKkMmcNw9YoimBkPWXEiZiryCgFctoKu7z0RWmUXkDA1TVV OshUG3mevtF3ZshAY+nfAexKp62wPUmPLb5vIyo+WWXeauxHliOcxPa5Bm+SxFwpY5Vc dAGRiq0qdBswlJGgNeNkAawoLwKTgDHAe+vtwQem0nbK8e5wu2VNxfOQMJcpAOswWfod 1btD78Sq7ezrkA8Z9d/7U/lYsvpXvuSk8JyM7QqSqJ2QAhMAM8EDiidEfEu0ELjFiq3p iobA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5303O+k4xJaNtCLbmdKEoML52nNRIO/QIuP608FpTogFU81pKHKZ ZnM/motbwiBzu82MheLt4i5Ojska8beLPC7xDS0VQGucpERIqw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyS/kl1d+cWUh9vhUVBFL7J/eBJC5t4oALuWVMTCZjtG9nvCi7GhcIbrzkF0DSZ9CHhW0XDk5eL6mM1KVHxQRI= X-Received: by 2002:a37:59c7:: with SMTP id n190mr13699291qkb.146.1623007440920; Sun, 06 Jun 2021 12:24:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9CE2AC05-6B4E-475F-874F-426DD51A8859@planet.nl> <20210606183011.GA10697@mcvoy.com> In-Reply-To: From: Clem Cole Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2021 15:23:35 -0400 Message-ID: To: Warner Losh Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000fbf6da05c41dddc7" Subject: Re: [TUHS] 32V memory management: not quite V7 style swapping -- source code update X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list , Paul Ruizendaal Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000fbf6da05c41dddc7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Jun 6, 2021 at 2:39 PM Warner Losh wrote: > Outside of Bell Labs the thing was "order the V32 tape. Never install it. > Send copies of the license to Berkeley. Run 4BSD." > Right - certainly my behavior and what I preached at the time. But it was also true for >>some<< sites inside the labs - frankly many from the ones I knew (Mary Ann what did run in Columbus). There were definitely copies of BSD in IH, as I know sent some of the stuff from my own work there. I never really understood who 'had' to run 32/V or (PWB 3.0 and PWB 4.0) and like Redman and the Marx machines were 'allowed' to be BSD. What I came to realize is that if a site ran VMS inside the labs, it was because they either had a commercial app that required it, or a had some really important FORTRAN code that needed the DEC tools. In the case of the later, since the stuff I worked on had a commercial Fortran compiler associated (great-great-grandfather to PGI compilers), those sites could use BSD so they could get the distribution (I must have written about 25-30 tapes before I left). But my stuff only ran on BSD 4.1/4.1a/4.1b/4.1c - I think Rick Spieklemeyers updated it when 4.2 and 4.3 finally finished but I had left UCB by then. =E1=90=A7 --000000000000fbf6da05c41dddc7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sun, Jun 6, 2021 at 2:39 = PM Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>= wrote:
Outside of Bell Labs the thing was "order the V32 tape. Neve= r install it. Send copies of the license to Berkeley. Run 4BSD."
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Right - certainly my behavior=C2=A0and what I preache= d at the time.=C2=A0 But it was also true for >>some<< sites in= side the labs - frankly many from the ones I knew (Mary Ann what did run in= Columbus).=C2=A0 =C2=A0There were definitely=C2=A0copies of BSD in IH, as = I know sent some of the stuff=C2=A0from my own work there. I never really u= nderstood who 'had' to run 32/V or (PWB 3.0 and PWB 4.0) and= =C2=A0like Redman and the Marx machines were 'allowed' to be BS= D.

What I came to realize is= that if a site ran VMS inside the labs, it was because they either had a c= ommercial=C2=A0app that required it, or a had=C2=A0some really important FO= RTRAN code that needed the DEC tools.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 In the case of the later= , since the stuff I worked on had a commercial Fortran compiler associated = (great-great-grandfather to PGI compilers), those sites could use BSD so th= ey could get the distribution (I must have written about 25-30 tapes before= I left).=C2=A0 But my stuff only ran on BSD 4.1/4.1a/4.1b/4.1c=C2=A0 =C2= =A0- I think Rick Spieklemeyers updated it when 4.2 and 4.3 finally finishe= d but I had left UCB by then.
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