From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 23098 invoked from network); 25 May 2022 15:54:00 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (2600:3c01:e000:146::1) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 25 May 2022 15:54:00 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 872414091E; Thu, 26 May 2022 01:53:53 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qk1-x729.google.com (mail-qk1-x729.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::729]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9DEB4408ED for ; Thu, 26 May 2022 01:53:44 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qk1-x729.google.com with SMTP id 14so11591878qkl.6 for ; Wed, 25 May 2022 08:53:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=536S/9Qrh5xGVSrQDFjGoMJ4BHuIQdXz5CyT/z1OXwM=; b=oZpc+ie8ErnX8vCbpU2ubS1GQVbYtTktwg+rtnFqRDNHXMTVOMHrZlKldVt/9Sa3fd aY5n2CcmJQ1fdWnWVLSxoh6XlamwTKbw2qg1x5jJN6pnikeS1eAj+L3SztRecRStyiuZ nhMS+LSSuA/vZ7PwYDRPKSVfWOvVWi8RlUjV0= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=536S/9Qrh5xGVSrQDFjGoMJ4BHuIQdXz5CyT/z1OXwM=; b=xXsJoj02FgS3jNQksXJ1MKznihQo2IQr0Dh+7Ib0TiP7tcQxofaDh5N8/zeWoEqkLg QnK+Ofj0zAvxhBJnBZqczR3VI5cTiWThnR5B32SFvbBwDgUiTh5aLxSkQ0qLHyRiDQeO Lp6N/ArY8JaluQX39lXcZlh4LyP8wt0DFGirnai8x+FPN7NzCGwZVaS+hk/Lp5L4S4b5 cKTsc5+lQARTu1afhsbAJ1wj+hIQYkX5Y4hLmroXwkGqDRM2MVinF9YqltJTGyDSnGfI B9RiW3q3AvkwBuroNsVgPiDbTT5jDzliSrN/mpV5BTgjSKHpqrOoQe3WS8RIYMqZH47M AA6w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533NoLhk8+Wx+AB28ITBNA1M5V8wMV5kdA7mdhCj7gsOVQ/j8lK4 ZoCMxiHwOnvN9O3k7ja2z8QzJb6acMJwAnby2fE0yAzE1LxbAw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyU6SbwZ0cfN3ORD/rH7WbXZ8ml1oNci0AhgDXxHp0YCmal21DsEG6zyGuVrzXtaC87E5XN74apoxqNEYXW0es= X-Received: by 2002:a37:98c4:0:b0:6a0:b47b:2ec6 with SMTP id a187-20020a3798c4000000b006a0b47b2ec6mr21561200qke.730.1653494023521; Wed, 25 May 2022 08:53:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <202205242329.24ONT3wQ029514@freefriends.org> In-Reply-To: <202205242329.24ONT3wQ029514@freefriends.org> From: Clem Cole Date: Wed, 25 May 2022 11:53:15 -0400 Message-ID: To: arnold@skeeve.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000e91f9205dfd8137e" Message-ID-Hash: 7LFLAVEKMPDXU7B23CQAF4QCYTA3DXPH X-Message-ID-Hash: 7LFLAVEKMPDXU7B23CQAF4QCYTA3DXPH X-MailFrom: clemc@ccc.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: tuhs@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: ACM opens up much of its archives List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000e91f9205dfd8137e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Indeed -- a small step in the right direction by ACM, but don't be too excited. If you go to the ACM DL website, sadly, most of the library is still behind the paywall (or not scanned). I do still have access from Intel, but when I retire, I think I will lose that access - even though I'm a long-time ACM (and IEEE) member. In fact, the thing about ACM and IEEE that frosts my cookies the most is that I already paid for these journals. [My wife would love it if I got rid of them from the basement, but if I do, I lose that investment]. FWIW: the single item that I am the proudest of when I was USENIX President was opening access to its entire library to everyone - members or otherwise. This meant taking a leap of faith by the org that people would stay members - as it does cost the USENIX money to be there for us all (so I highly encourage people on this list to consider it to support the work they continue to do -- https://www.usenix.org/membership). Clem =E1=90=A7 On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 7:29 PM wrote: > > https://associationsnow.com/2022/05/the-way-things-were-why-open-access-t= o-the-a > cm-digital-library-matters/ > > > --000000000000e91f9205dfd8137e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Indeed -- a small step in the right=C2=A0direction by= =C2=A0ACM, but don't be too excited.=C2=A0 =C2=A0If you go to the ACM D= L website, sadly, most of the library is still behind=C2=A0the paywall (or = not scanned).=C2=A0 I do still have access from=C2=A0Intel, but when I reti= re, I think I will lose that access - even though I'm a long-time ACM (= and IEEE) member.=C2=A0 In fact, the thing about ACM and IEEE that frosts m= y cookies the most is that I already paid for these journals.=C2=A0 =C2=A0[= My wife would love it if I got rid of them from the basement, but if I do, = I lose that investment].

FWIW: the single item that I = am the proudest of when I was USENIX President was opening=C2=A0access to i= ts entire library to=C2=A0everyone - members or otherwise.=C2=A0 =C2=A0This= meant taking a leap of faith by the org that people would stay members - a= s it does cost the USENIX money to be there for us all (so I highly encoura= ge people on this list to consider it to support the work they continue to = do -- https://www.usenix.org/= membership).=C2=A0=C2=A0

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