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From: Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com>
To: Noel Chiappa <jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>
Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society <tuhs@tuhs.org>
Subject: Re: [TUHS] core
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2018 10:10:24 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAC20D2Ndy8KKiupAQqEvN1fAKgG2Axpj5uXFbJGQYTO1FRRmvA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180616134928.1574518C0A7@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>

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Thanks, I thought it was  about 10 years earlier.   It means that the 16
bit systems were  definitely the norm and the 32 bit system were well under
design and the micros already birthed.  That said, as I pointed out in my
paper last summer, in 1977, a PDP-11 that was able to run UNIX (11/34 with
max memory) ran between $50-150K depending how it was configured and an
11/70 was closer to $250K.   To scale, In 2017 dollars, we calculated that
comes to $208K/$622K/$1M and as I also pointed out, a graduate researcher
in those days cost about $5-$10K per year.

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On Sat, Jun 16, 2018 at 9:49 AM, Noel Chiappa <jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>
wrote:

>     > From: Clem Cole
>
>     > The 8 pretty much had a base price in the $30k range in the mid to
> late
>     > 60s.
>
> His statement was made in 1977 (ironically, the same year as the Apple
> II).
>
> (Not really that relevant, since he was apparently talking about 'smart
> homes'; still, the history of DEC and personal computers is not a happy
> one;
> perhaps why that quotation was taken up.)
>
>     > Later models used TTL and got down to a single 3U 'drawer'.
>
> There was eventually a single-chip micro version, done in the mid-70's; it
> was used in a number of DEC word-processing products.
>
>         Noel
>

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  reply	other threads:[~2018-06-16 14:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-06-16 13:49 Noel Chiappa
2018-06-16 14:10 ` Clem Cole [this message]
2018-06-16 14:34   ` Lawrence Stewart
2018-06-16 15:28     ` Larry McVoy
2018-06-16 14:10 ` Steve Nickolas
2018-06-16 14:13   ` William Pechter
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2018-06-21 22:44 Nelson H. F. Beebe
2018-06-21 23:07 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-06-21 23:38   ` Toby Thain
2018-06-21 17:40 Noel Chiappa
2018-06-21 17:07 Nelson H. F. Beebe
2018-06-21 13:46 Doug McIlroy
2018-06-21 16:13 ` Tim Bradshaw
2018-06-20 20:11 Doug McIlroy
2018-06-20 23:53 ` Tim Bradshaw
2018-06-19 12:23 Noel Chiappa
2018-06-19 12:58 ` Clem Cole
2018-06-19 13:53   ` John P. Linderman
2018-06-21 14:09 ` Paul Winalski
2018-06-19 11:50 Doug McIlroy
     [not found] <20180618121738.98BD118C087@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>
2018-06-18 21:13 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-06-18 17:56 Noel Chiappa
2018-06-18 18:51 ` Clem Cole
2018-06-18 14:51 Noel Chiappa
2018-06-18 14:58 ` Warner Losh
     [not found] <mailman.1.1529287201.13697.tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
2018-06-18  5:58 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-06-18 12:39   ` Ronald Natalie
2018-06-17 21:18 Noel Chiappa
2018-06-17 17:58 Noel Chiappa
2018-06-18  9:16 ` Tim Bradshaw
2018-06-18 15:33   ` Tim Bradshaw
2018-06-17 14:36 Noel Chiappa
2018-06-17 15:58 ` Derek Fawcus
2018-06-16 22:57 Noel Chiappa
     [not found] <mailman.1.1529175600.3826.tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
2018-06-16 22:14 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-06-16 22:38   ` Arthur Krewat
2018-06-17  0:15   ` Clem cole
2018-06-17  1:50     ` Johnny Billquist
2018-06-17 10:33       ` Ronald Natalie
2018-06-20 16:55       ` Paul Winalski
2018-06-20 21:35         ` Johnny Billquist
2018-06-20 22:24           ` Paul Winalski
2018-06-16 13:37 Noel Chiappa
2018-06-16 18:59 ` Clem Cole
2018-06-17 12:15 ` Derek Fawcus
2018-06-17 17:33 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-06-17 19:50   ` Jon Forrest
2018-06-18 14:56   ` Clem Cole
2018-06-18 12:36 ` Tony Finch
2018-06-16 12:58 Doug McIlroy
2018-06-20 11:10 ` Dave Horsfall
2018-06-16 12:51 Noel Chiappa
2018-06-16 13:11 ` Clem cole
2018-06-15 15:25 Noel Chiappa
2018-06-15 23:05 ` Dave Horsfall
2018-06-15 23:22   ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2018-06-16  6:36     ` Dave Horsfall
2018-06-16 19:07       ` Clem Cole
2018-06-18  9:25         ` Tim Bradshaw
2018-06-19 20:45           ` Peter Jeremy
2018-06-19 22:55             ` David Arnold
2018-06-20  5:04               ` Peter Jeremy
2018-06-20  5:41                 ` Warner Losh
2018-06-15 11:19 A. P. Garcia
2018-06-15 13:50 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2018-06-15 14:21 ` Clem Cole
2018-06-15 15:11   ` John P. Linderman
2018-06-15 15:21     ` Larry McVoy
2018-06-16  1:08   ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2018-06-16  2:00     ` Nemo Nusquam
2018-06-16  2:17     ` John P. Linderman
2018-06-16  3:06     ` Clem cole
2018-06-20 10:06 ` Dave Horsfall

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