From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.4 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24,HTML_MESSAGE,LOTS_OF_MONEY,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id c2e2f15c for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 14:11:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id D9A569EE0C; Sun, 17 Jun 2018 00:11:39 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 390C9A1569; Sun, 17 Jun 2018 00:11:13 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b=YZGf54/k; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id B1A4D9EDF2; Sun, 17 Jun 2018 00:10:56 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-it0-f53.google.com (mail-it0-f53.google.com [209.85.214.53]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3942B9B5D7 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2018 00:10:56 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-it0-f53.google.com with SMTP id m194-v6so6463105itg.2 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 07:10:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=5CsA8BCSkMj7hMZXnCgbaXAZt8ZA7z6CZ+k/tKZ7Qss=; b=YZGf54/kGY3JERvwwCkjwn0tH9/LSoXDFqD0TTuipuzFyoc1zXFeRxWx3aYwaQbx46 42KeQY+s5rakKG6REU0LEb7Eh2xsDTNTIT3VjEjdJERjdK+fC0MPCwM4x1/wkNygsTsZ ETKs9OY49bxQHFHcMqfIcIxrqHco+SHpjURKw= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=5CsA8BCSkMj7hMZXnCgbaXAZt8ZA7z6CZ+k/tKZ7Qss=; b=IqHpuVA5AnhYnLz2h9B0aoV2LPiDqO/BTd6ewDeozCIrGefM9Rk27sjWlNY33NH21m QVvS1xCjaZVw4uP0eTPEGcm7WTenY3AZNZP0LITecYSXOR5r0wTjuOecFQXTQBzefDE8 f+F8YOxwKESokpxNK+kGR2DhESTS87R8fvukZC8tG8woIIVeXhAmWie+FSh8/LbW5INM tlYT1Kghq4SlkA5QM+z///HdogpJ4ceVS6kIcT83L93s799QEX5Ukoue6nGZ5LzRLAzh Z1QsanD67/vE4mJbZpjfK2hRDEpkHZL5VsT0QcabBYja7LS2shGKEIEbFWAQlkSL999z z87A== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E1jCjlh8KnbxzDOLBe8LbhtmctHZLvREuSkvjvzHDFhdzG2xVci huDgDFG6ipbG2OMEDZuH7PVhIYvy8kp7KCuNplyWm3v6 X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKJPaff+WbZinlVOIr94/gTDUGXJCEN3lQ+3rTM4NmoUmqqRqGK/Vbfaf21T++tLGUTRS4hXSeJ+m21nHWBZxgw= X-Received: by 2002:a24:987:: with SMTP id 129-v6mr4719748itm.136.1529158255414; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 07:10:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a4f:ca8a:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Sat, 16 Jun 2018 07:10:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20180616134928.1574518C0A7@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> References: <20180616134928.1574518C0A7@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> From: Clem Cole Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2018 10:10:24 -0400 Message-ID: To: Noel Chiappa Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000009ea8fd056ec2e6f2" Subject: Re: [TUHS] core X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --0000000000009ea8fd056ec2e6f2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, I thought it was about 10 years earlier. It means that the 16 bit systems were definitely the norm and the 32 bit system were well under design and the micros already birthed. That said, as I pointed out in my paper last summer, in 1977, a PDP-11 that was able to run UNIX (11/34 with max memory) ran between $50-150K depending how it was configured and an 11/70 was closer to $250K. To scale, In 2017 dollars, we calculated that comes to $208K/$622K/$1M and as I also pointed out, a graduate researcher in those days cost about $5-$10K per year. =E1=90=A7 On Sat, Jun 16, 2018 at 9:49 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > > From: Clem Cole > > > The 8 pretty much had a base price in the $30k range in the mid to > late > > 60s. > > His statement was made in 1977 (ironically, the same year as the Apple > II). > > (Not really that relevant, since he was apparently talking about 'smart > homes'; still, the history of DEC and personal computers is not a happy > one; > perhaps why that quotation was taken up.) > > > Later models used TTL and got down to a single 3U 'drawer'. > > There was eventually a single-chip micro version, done in the mid-70's; i= t > was used in a number of DEC word-processing products. > > Noel > --0000000000009ea8fd056ec2e6f2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks, I thought it was=C2=A0 about 10 years earlier.= =C2=A0 =C2=A0It means that the 16 bit systems were=C2=A0 definitely the nor= m and the 32 bit system were well under design and the micros already birth= ed.=C2=A0 That said, as I pointed out in my paper last summer, in 1977, a P= DP-11 that was able to run UNIX (11/34 with max memory) ran between $50-150= K depending how it was configured and an 11/70 was closer to $250K.=C2=A0 = =C2=A0To scale, In 2017 dollars, we calculated that comes to $208K/$622K/$1= M and as I also pointed out, a graduate researcher in those days cost about= $5-$10K per year.

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On Sat, Jun 16, 2018 at = 9:49 AM, Noel Chiappa <jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> wrote:=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > From: Clem Cole

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > The 8 pretty much had a base price in the $30k range in = the mid to late
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > 60s.

His statement was made in 1977 (ironically, the same year as the App= le
II).

(Not really that relevant, since he was apparently talking about 'smart=
homes'; still, the history of DEC and personal computers is not a happy= one;
perhaps why that quotation was taken up.)

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Later models used TTL and got down to a single 3U 'd= rawer'.

There was eventually a single-chip micro version, done in the mid-70's;= it
was used in a number of DEC word-processing products.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Noel

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