From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [IPv6:2600:3c01:e000:146::1]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 874A721FFC for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2024 05:03:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 714324368D; Thu, 27 Jun 2024 13:03:50 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-vs1-xe31.google.com (mail-vs1-xe31.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e31]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 976CE43681 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2024 13:03:46 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-vs1-xe31.google.com with SMTP id ada2fe7eead31-48c2d353b01so2504329137.2 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2024 20:03:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; t=1719457425; x=1720062225; darn=tuhs.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=GNJ3sCfUP4Z8yJlaloQ1g9/rbsq4D7/M9tbpgxmJuJo=; b=RdhinUSbsYmnuSHPVu9kw8jjIPkjr1sfA4AUvjwR68vz09VeFOAVTgdshRQJBvQQ47 rQ475NM2O6+1ANPUK9b86aORhkE1cDfd1lC0cDCn9ifArtom1eAzlRWW3AuQfClXP3gY m8U3oLYQUYeG6NnEHr1C+3zaLgj8ngWEamZA4= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1719457425; x=1720062225; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=GNJ3sCfUP4Z8yJlaloQ1g9/rbsq4D7/M9tbpgxmJuJo=; b=jKIFjUsONyzAML7E0X/4DxQ52YbYUNsczEtaRmnn5qqO/xWb+vkiTNOUB+ZXV+3isq ByCFJvM3hHU7vCZi9k9Y86Gcvc6sDv9t9iQHzb2dkQJHa9AMpbJSPWTdelf/sljTaCm1 a2yDeoqXbzNLrNjNkwbF72vFaUwFUvhr1SuA0pTWsCuJfTyhI+SJgCCIF/rXaEbfSKaE RgMFoaqg+QqvNT1LTzhRDAGIA231Lv4wMKZQPHSWAnAS2nowiLkFC5cuUp3e5rcx3luu HT5JAxj25ay6htsyV2Agu4x2zegClPtOhYmlEEgUHE8LHhw3AnJTkbGazngcuIdeTlVF 48GA== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCXHVXQAw1Bl61ybqlpB3YVeweEcnkx2QXUhOHDjHym+Y/Y5SMYBUapMMfbXvDDp8aOr7nktKgPfU7w3DI1r X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Ywi3ndja/5aH6BS1aAJGSZBEJvkS5onPhb/q1XUt46l5QB4Uwsn +s+RhSk16xu1svKpmSaLRp2GFqiE0PlM/zDeyo5KjCe55YQWNBIkRztLoNT4WfAbyFq6Qz3J9/T kTzK8GkH7flmr3Z1oo1KU5A4L5LlDDtf3fHrf X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IH+9oXnWUWzk/Jlc/vBZqYsWx5ttt09EtsdS+q8B9RO14shVpMkaoa4JWSp7ZOYWVCdfjszR3biXac08IK141E= X-Received: by 2002:a67:b40b:0:b0:48f:8d1a:ff8c with SMTP id ada2fe7eead31-48f8d1b0161mr824250137.3.1719457425502; Wed, 26 Jun 2024 20:03:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20240626215309.XWtuefzk@steffen%sdaoden.eu> In-Reply-To: From: Clem Cole Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2024 23:03:34 -0400 Message-ID: To: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000000dcf53061bd661e3" Message-ID-Hash: S5AH2LXHDFRA34QIJXKJ55AARLIYIKTQ X-Message-ID-Hash: S5AH2LXHDFRA34QIJXKJ55AARLIYIKTQ X-MailFrom: clemc@ccc.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: Alan Coopersmith , Marc Rochkind , tuhs@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Origin of the name POSIX (was: ANSI (C) vs IEEE (POSIX) Standards Body Selection) List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --0000000000000dcf53061bd661e3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Autocorrect. Sigh. Participation. Sent from a handheld expect more typos than usual On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 11:02=E2=80=AFPM Clem Cole wrote: > FWIW: it is possible rms sent in comments and offered thoughts that we ha= d > to handle. He may consider that as partition. He might have even been a= t > later .2 meetings after I stopped coming. But he was not at any .1 > meetings and the name was created during that time by Jim Isaak IIRC. > > FWIW Keith Bostics was at some of the .2 meetings Keith might haven there > when we got .1 to the stage and when started the .2 work. I was part of > all off .1 and an early draft of .2. Keith and I wrote the proposal that > became pax after I demonstrated tpio my hack to splice a cpio front end t= o > tar (I never wrote car). A few meetings later we got the first draft of = .2 > out and was pretty much done at that point. > > So if rms joined then it=E2=80=99s possible but the standard was in the o= ven > before he might have done anything. And since we travelled to different > sites for the meetings and he did not have a firm to cover his travel > costs, I would very surprised he was at many later ones either. > > > Sent from a handheld expect more typos than usual > > > On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 10:46=E2=80=AFPM Clem Cole wrote: > >> Garbage. Rms was never at any early IEEE meeting that I was at - you >> could smell him a mile away as he rarely bathed. I certainly knew him i= n >> those days. I also have an early draft with all participants named and = he >> is not one of them!! >> >> Sent from a handheld expect more typos than usual >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 9:11=E2=80=AFPM Greg 'groggy' Lehey >> wrote: >> >>> On Wednesday, 26 June 2024 at 20:44:12 -0400, Clem Cole wrote: >>> > rms had nothing to do with the name posix. I have no idea where that >>> > comment came from. >>> >>> At the very least, from rms himself: >>> https://stallman.org/articles/posix.html >>> There's a reference to this page in the Wikipedia page on POSIX. >>> >>> > The p1003 committee for Ieee was the portable operating system >>> standard and >>> > at the time adding ix was the norm. POSIX became the term we all use= d >>> to >>> > refer to the work we doing. Rms was not involved in any way >>> >>> rms suggests that he was involved in the committee? Not true? Maybe >>> a different, related committee? >>> >>> Greg >>> -- >>> Sent from my desktop computer. >>> Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key. >>> See complete headers for address and phone numbers. >>> This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft mail program >>> reports problems, please read http://lemis.com/broken-MUA.php >>> >> --0000000000000dcf53061bd661e3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Autocorrect. Sigh. Participation. =C2=A0

Sent from a handheld expect more typos than usua= l


On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 11:02=E2=80=AFPM C= lem Cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote:<= br>
FWIW: it is possi= ble rms sent in comments and offered thoughts that we had to handle.=C2=A0 = He may consider that as partition.=C2=A0 He might have even been at later .= 2 meetings =C2=A0after I stopped coming.=C2=A0 But he was not at any .1 mee= tings and the name was created during that time by Jim Isaak IIRC.=C2=A0

FWIW Keith Bostics was at = some of the .2 meetings Keith might haven there when we got .1 to the =C2= =A0stage and when started the .2 work. I was part of all off .1 and an earl= y draft of .2.=C2=A0 Keith and I wrote the proposal that became pax after I= demonstrated tpio my hack to splice a cpio front end to tar (I never wrote= car).=C2=A0 A few meetings later we got the first draft of .2 out and was = pretty much done at that point. =C2=A0

So if rms joined then it=E2=80=99s possible but the standard= was in the oven before he might have done anything.=C2=A0 And since we tra= velled to different sites for the meetings and he did not have a firm to co= ver his travel costs, I would very surprised he was at many later ones eith= er. =C2=A0


Sent from a handheld expect more typos than usual


On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 10:46=E2=80=AFPM Clem Cole &l= t;clemc@ccc.com> = wrote:
Garbage.= =C2=A0 Rms was never at any early IEEE meeting that I was at - you could sm= ell him a mile away as he rarely bathed.=C2=A0 I certainly knew him in thos= e days.=C2=A0 I also have an early draft with all participants named and he= is not one of them!!=C2=A0

Sent= from a handheld expect more typos than usual


On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 9:11=E2=80=AFPM Greg 'groggy' Lehey <<= a href=3D"mailto:grog@lemis.com" target=3D"_blank">grog@lemis.com> w= rote:
On Wednesday, 26 June 2024 at= 20:44:12 -0400, Clem Cole wrote:
> rms had nothing to do with the name posix.=C2=A0 I have no idea where = that
> comment came from.

At the very least, from rms himself:
https://stallman.org/articles/posix.html
There's a reference to this page in the Wikipedia page on POSIX.

> The p1003 committee for Ieee was the portable operating system standar= d and
> at the time adding ix was the norm.=C2=A0 POSIX became the term we all= used to
> refer to the work we doing.=C2=A0 Rms was not involved in any way

rms suggests that he was involved in the committee?=C2=A0 Not true?=C2=A0 M= aybe
a different, related committee?

Greg
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