From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 24048 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2023 21:27:40 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 25 Jan 2023 21:27:40 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1AD542404; Thu, 26 Jan 2023 07:27:04 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-vs1-f41.google.com (mail-vs1-f41.google.com [209.85.217.41]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CF37A42403 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2023 07:26:59 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-vs1-f41.google.com with SMTP id k6so67532vsk.1 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2023 13:26:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=zg817muFY35x32x6fnAxMZtBSOfwf8Ra1m/ijYqWv1Y=; b=UEoyzis8zJp5iYi9DmQ3FmpxPGni3bqx3NgKBJ06Kxw8OPXEip5gyniazxlGKDcXRa qYDpe1t1KOBOzs80AFCE1WvANxFROgdWih0F+OHN0AjwY4jypzHpbeBTC6XTTXoG31Si h7wMdVtejqn22pp3O7qlwEKujZyc00QYDRr5A= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=zg817muFY35x32x6fnAxMZtBSOfwf8Ra1m/ijYqWv1Y=; b=U6UyU/nzErhQSGKXwlEeg7TaGH9SKBLm96vMCsp1MNMDX1CJZc3IzsbJL7hAJ3XX2D LzSDg7C/uXtH2q9j2Ay/KOph8BFPTc/loDGA1cLr2viXv5tpkftAnpR5F00QXD8wkpaf oIpXXThQmOGL2D1knDupx+fUhEOBdBxi5K9DjKwLxVeC0a6xoKEOqGaccuWyTahy/lpP QopMH7oj+ZpFTi5q9ZPkwtFSAn7V+x/UANSs0U8+6wOS0aU/a9A5zKOU8RhEzZCo6n3h Yh+YbibJ0jXoF0qxzuBWoSz94l0VnoUf0EaNkdX/R2w2hh5Y/ZpFlewfSLNVLkiwLroI Hf0A== X-Gm-Message-State: AFqh2kqaxWNb9qB2AiqGIVbUDYp3YDrH+qAusUlzxh4nYcZjtldBSbhF Dv2lKTqC8eD4Mhq4gR7g6uZtU2iAPZkTc7QG1lRD7g2lTEOzumP5 X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMrXdXt6/Etnmw6T1zrF1d5c8agS/XJW5GOXEtwTjXTvXTjHNdqS5Mo+drUzc0e5Fo1iYqur3cTtrnnYXI9Osvzo7/Q= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6102:2267:b0:3d1:d27b:3bc6 with SMTP id v7-20020a056102226700b003d1d27b3bc6mr4409033vsd.52.1674681958797; Wed, 25 Jan 2023 13:25:58 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20230125203805.4762218C083@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> In-Reply-To: <20230125203805.4762218C083@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> From: Clem Cole Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2023 16:25:32 -0500 Message-ID: To: Noel Chiappa Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000442f7c05f31d4740" Message-ID-Hash: GHZN7UKOB7JTPZOUXY4VPFTK6UUZIFTR X-Message-ID-Hash: GHZN7UKOB7JTPZOUXY4VPFTK6UUZIFTR X-MailFrom: clemc@ccc.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: tuhs@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Setting up an X Development Environment for Mac OS List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000442f7c05f31d4740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jan 25, 2023 at 3:38 PM Noel Chiappa wrote: > > Do any of the really early versions of X (and W) still exist? > Not that I have found. I looked a couple a years ago. FWIW: I would be surprised if any of it was in CLU, because the first version of X was a redo from synchronous W protocol to the async one Bob did. If I remember it correctly ... W as for the V Kernel on the Stanford (68K based) Sun Terminal, that Paul Asente and Brian Reid did at Stanford (in C). The Paul and Chris Kent at DEC (either WRL or SRC I foirget which) took it and made it work on a VS100 and microvax. That version when to MIT via the Athena connection and Bob rewrote the back-end creating the X from W. Shortly after that Gettys brought the Microvax X version out to me in Westford where, he, Jack Burness and I got it running on a 68K based Masscomp over a weekend fairly soon after Jack his first version of his new BITBLT primitive working - which until then we lacked (it was pretty cool how quick it came up). Clem =E1=90=A7 =E1=90=A7 --000000000000442f7c05f31d4740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Wed, Jan 25, 2023 at 3:38= PM Noel Chiappa <jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> wrote:
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Do any of the really early versions of X (and W) still exist?
Not that I=C2=A0 have found.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I looked a couple a ye= ars ago.=C2=A0 FWIW: I would be surprised if any of it was in CLU, because = the first version of X was a redo from synchronous W protocol to the async = one Bob did.=C2=A0 =C2=A0If I remember it correctly ... W as for the V Kern= el on the Stanford (68K based) Sun Terminal,=C2=A0=C2=A0that=C2= =A0=C2=A0Paul Asente and Brian Reid did at Stanford (in C).= The Paul and Chris Kent at DEC (either WRL or SRC I foirget which) took it= and made it work on a VS100 and microvax. That version when to MIT via the= Athena connection and Bob rewrote the back-end creating the X from W.
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Shortly after that Gettys brought the Microvax X version out to me in= Westford where, he, Jack Burness and I got it running on a 68K based Massc= omp over a weekend fairly soon after Jack his first version of his new BITB= LT primitive working - which until then we lacked (it was pretty cool how q= uick it came up).

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