From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 32536 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2020 14:02:45 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 11 Aug 2020 14:02:45 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 1B7409B6B1; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 00:02:40 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C7F39B5DE; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 00:01:50 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b="m/Lx9kYp"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 8CD2D9B5DE; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 00:01:47 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qt1-f182.google.com (mail-qt1-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CA7F59B5D6 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 00:01:46 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qt1-f182.google.com with SMTP id s23so9430631qtq.12 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 07:01:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=EbndNsKHqF0G/N3+6NFEjmeYuXUGCG+v9wyrKX3SzJw=; b=m/Lx9kYp/7l1ylvoKZ2XvUKbhpv6ni3K7hw4sTUAfMoVOF98dEtCTm9IxXfnJtDNUy 2WQFYorMjknQAqvSIGpj78p+tSR8jx1rcf8J+eCTqGatXwsK0pMP7ZRQos/kBDbYNEjI Oxfg83GruvfVD27vsSTxQlhckeYUEgc+ADSf0= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=EbndNsKHqF0G/N3+6NFEjmeYuXUGCG+v9wyrKX3SzJw=; b=OClL2l3d2CzX3kir+xWWM15clcCgVSurvy61ZO5uxDaLHGDlO/EQB3iEpu9eKh5qo2 N2UjI6od0Ddgxv8J07TlhYf6cuwxZXdJPEbIU8weDKW3SEXYg44LUZUXv55pVKv+j4hb V9Kta22Ubiy5gdeOfGDBxhkPfN8s+NLyXW+vNKy3j3HLBsCmFQORp0DhVx8ocXdv2ct8 eVGUotXbE4UECxEILbp+gkp+mpjS441RhqBJgArz7JY3seUjgOJOte5JubCSBYeSF1D2 zO6vVPCwnI1UnBWds5Lse8wMVYwgvCZIVDOwKdUxOE3lJr7ki63OT5f319BQ1KSZZQtv QFLA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533s2z3hVqckPfqvWDrUh5g5qfP14AL3d2N7oLx9OelapVtn6G5P 9Qc/cReRLH3PYxaqDd/4pUIl1mUHSo0pF04KJLJEZA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxymKRA8ALtZjSpyByfg4AGsHnHWXqzSJ29th23JYHSRbUs44xAb8wtR2uPfmbOoE4HuP2/Wbl9dZnvIZGC4kk= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:5685:: with SMTP id h5mr1197818qta.119.1597154505747; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 07:01:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <0bf32a22-d5a5-788f-a818-1fbe704a55bf@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <0bf32a22-d5a5-788f-a818-1fbe704a55bf@gmail.com> From: Clem Cole Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 10:01:19 -0400 Message-ID: To: Will Senn Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f78f7b05ac9a821f" Subject: Re: [TUHS] in memoriam - Bill English, mouse co-creator X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000f78f7b05ac9a821f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Thanks, Will. A mild sigh while reading it though because history seems to often forget Jack Hawley's role. Truth is he did not invent it, but he >>is<< the one that made them and got people to use them (the Xerox Alto's used a Hawley Mouse, DEC would use it, E&S used them etc.). As this article points out, he made about 80% of all the mice used in the 1970s: https://www.oldmouse.com/mouse/hawley/ - certainly the first ones I used at CMU before we got the Altos and then after the first Alto's appeared. Tek's Magnolia used a flavor of the Hawley mouse in 1979 [the ones with buttons horizontal/parallel to the 'body' - the original Alto mouse the buttons were horizontal and colored), but I don't remember what 3Rivers PascAlto used - I think so, but I don't remember. On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 6:50 PM Will Senn wrote: > All, > > About a week ago, Bill English passed away. He was a Xerox guy, who along > with Douglas Engelbart of "Mother of all demos" fame, created our beloved > mouse: > > https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-53638033 > > I remember, back in the mid-1980's being part of a focus group evaluating > Microsoft's mouse. Wow, time flies. > > -Will > > -- > GPG Fingerprint: 68F4 B3BD 1730 555A 4462 7D45 3EAA 5B6D A982 BAAF > > --000000000000f78f7b05ac9a821f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks, Will. A mild sigh while reading it though becau= se history seems to often forget Jack Hawley's role.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Truth = is he did not invent it, but he >>is<< the one that made them a= nd got people to use them (the Xerox Alto's used a Hawley Mouse, DEC wo= uld use it, E&S used them etc.).=C2=A0 As this article points out, he m= ade about 80% of all the mice used in the 1970s:=C2=A0=C2=A0https://www.oldmouse.com/mouse/hawley/=C2=A0 - certainly the = first ones I used at CMU before we got the Altos and then after the first A= lto's appeared.=C2=A0 =C2=A0

Tek's Magnolia us= ed a flavor of the Hawley mouse in 1979 [the ones with buttons horizontal/p= arallel=C2=A0to the 'body' - the original Alto mouse the buttons we= re horizontal and colored), but I don't remember what 3Rivers PascAlto = used - I think so, but I don't remember.

On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 6= :50 PM Will Senn <will.senn@gmail= .com> wrote:
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All,

About a week ago, Bill English passed away. He was a Xerox guy, who along with Dou= glas Engelbart of "Mother of all demos" fame, created our belove= d mouse:

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-53638033

I remember, back in the mid-1980's being part of a focus group evaluating Microsoft's mouse. Wow, time flies.

-Will
 
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