From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,URIBL_SBL,URIBL_SBL_A autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 23c06f8b for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 14:16:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 3F5099C0C6; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 00:16:28 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1E2293D97; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 00:15:52 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b="BvcGIqIN"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 47BA193D7C; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 00:15:50 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qk1-f171.google.com (mail-qk1-f171.google.com [209.85.222.171]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3DFAB93D2E for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 00:15:49 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qk1-f171.google.com with SMTP id a194so21189712qkg.10 for ; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 06:15:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=bKGaj6am6kgHHpcZBQ2+MMu0BnVdgR7tIK7oBnpITdc=; b=BvcGIqINkNe1aoLF6wBsY4qtfdagt5MsBbTpC/DGjGAmrIgL1bzR5Ei4P7JNZNlvIF 715JPOadkB78L5LNkDVdDdY/eAq5lmhByoUps42YpV9nvu4RIB/7Wyb0pxDK3tNvULp8 gonoRDLGY33CDP9IWZ0DH/cVAj4UFyZhxQ7YA= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=bKGaj6am6kgHHpcZBQ2+MMu0BnVdgR7tIK7oBnpITdc=; b=rY8q67wtY/P6IuDEdV1BN/tT9/YI5VY47k0XZxwFKXEkSaeU2Q+RUEzESunyMsX3iu mBrUf69OnHbsUECkQav2YQewJKDUP4YHb1mTiADL0yT+Da+r+La3+hp7JwxtQf8IuvCz UR6ypfKM8/deALbRrtYN/sq89z20l9pMA2p8ndKg7Eks0yFE3thtcW1/aPNvAUkHmgT1 mUun8YNV/oS4Ar56YUeeV57jISiEg8CyBweq8QRz77A0e0NT/xG7eFrdE9Sdx4ZTsgNN bpBHYVWpfd+6Kmc7v4tM0fOc6iQDIe/FxyvJPSZNYrEiONEI3/i/quHFkkzX+Qcu7vQl QCRA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXqR+iFDPGPRu+6ubjlSLGUiX7iD3i1AtSlZqq3/4ghb9Xl8Srq VPGwTAk6SKXvLHooluyPUc3692/tkKMfSFh1AFGOnw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqywwbn+j/DL859JBQyn+NNBHt0XtlZljlD6wRXGdTmIe2bVD+2yVRoSVt0333KL2XCO2JncY97oCX7cbApJwXk= X-Received: by 2002:ae9:e215:: with SMTP id c21mr12639046qkc.476.1572963348000; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 06:15:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20191029040434.GA29996@minnie.tuhs.org> <201910310751.x9V7pJ26030054@freefriends.org> <201910311410.x9VEAdor010114@freefriends.org> <201911030705.xA375twJ013107@freefriends.org> <201911041443.xA4EhCqn023852@freefriends.org> In-Reply-To: <201911041443.xA4EhCqn023852@freefriends.org> From: Clem Cole Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 09:15:35 -0500 Message-ID: To: arnold@skeeve.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000009a460d05969a11df" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Unix, IBM, 370 X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --0000000000009a460d05969a11df Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" IBM owned TCF and it was 100% screwed down into AIX. The clean room team which did TNC used many of the ideas but tried to make it layered into 14 separate technologies so customer could pick and choose. HP originally picked up the process technology but not the FS work. DEC was the reverse. Novell/Tandem took all it. HP ended up with all the IP and in the end released it as FOSS. Hence the OpenSSI project On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 9:43 AM wrote: > Clem Cole wrote: > > > On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 12:06 AM wrote: > > > > > > > > > The ideas were recreated as 14 different technologies called > Transparent > > > > Network Computing (TNC) that would end up in the FOSS community and > added > > > > to Linux 2x kernel as: OpenSSI < > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenSSI> > > > > > > Am I wrong, or does nobody actually use this today? The opessi.org > > > home page link from Wikipedia just seems to hang. And the files on the > > > SourceForge page are 5 years old. > > > > > I suspect not - it was done to 2.6 kernel and none of the changes were > > taken by Linus for 3x Folks got discouraged and gave up > > Ah, OK. Thanks for the info. On the one hand, two bad. On the other hand, > it looks like a real patchwork quilt of technologies... > > Thanks, > > Arnold > -- Sent from a handheld expect more typos than usual --0000000000009a460d05969a11df Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
IBM owned TCF and it was 100% screwed down into AIX.= =C2=A0 The clean room team which did TNC used many of the ideas but tried = to make it layered into 14 separate technologies so customer could pick and= choose. =C2=A0 HP originally picked up the process technology but not the = FS work. =C2=A0 DEC was the reverse. =C2=A0 Novell/Tandem took all it.=C2= =A0 HP ended up with all the IP and in the end released it as FOSS. =C2=A0 = Hence the OpenSSI project

On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 9:43 AM <arnold@skeeve.com> wrote:
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Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 12:06 AM <arnold@skeeve.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > > The ideas were recreated as 14 different technologies called= Transparent
> > > Network Computing (TNC) that would end up in the FOSS commun= ity and added
> > > to Linux 2x kernel as: OpenSSI <https://en.wi= kipedia.org/wiki/OpenSSI>
> >
> > Am I wrong, or does nobody actually use this today? The opessi.org<= br> > > home page link from Wikipedia just seems to hang. And the files o= n the
> > SourceForge page are 5 years old.
> >
> I suspect not - it was done to 2.6 kernel and none of the changes were=
> taken by Linus for 3x=C2=A0 =C2=A0Folks got discouraged and gave up
Ah, OK. Thanks for the info. On the one hand, two bad. On the other hand, it looks like a real patchwork quilt of technologies...

Thanks,

Arnold
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