From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 32256 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2022 21:41:27 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 31 Dec 2022 21:41:27 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97000423DF; Sun, 1 Jan 2023 07:41:03 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-vs1-f46.google.com (mail-vs1-f46.google.com [209.85.217.46]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9A77F423DE for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2023 07:40:58 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-vs1-f46.google.com with SMTP id m129so18867337vsc.11 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2022 13:40:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=/rLH1pkILEUhJhpNS84x5esIrVhQgXjgaXwotgpLuRU=; b=ARRjLAYqf3OQt7RXPT9kA3e8A89RrgfAzuBgNei4uCY69XTmXJOaDXgRlXFHgzEWhE ekgSh/wbb4dskxvk+99AK9NHNdt9idW8/Y+gFgOsiLZTJ6IH+Sp6NvGHHk5ggL4LGNcq 4W2j3wB1fLjrv39Gdf8bF95znWGBQJAHQOyVk= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=/rLH1pkILEUhJhpNS84x5esIrVhQgXjgaXwotgpLuRU=; b=8JSKWc0JOLbKMJMWw5jeeTKGncbtKFQrNQ5xTP4ybqSP00v3cXwP8s+LRiumEs+Yqf bVIeYnwbTglJPLil93FdKAorZ2Wpd8+nKloj6w1kGP7eiTtiiT+IlXpp65B92fN/PYTR 1RFXvyZ4DiZLKxAl/JEXcWZXwVmNcVZWjeS8PkkG1+krIuJ/mvr/4W97aHy6MO5urKbl P+ffyF/znLlUTl9TKGOkKSx0jO8/01vYMTmKahsqKHw5m5jWrtTftMxivbDn/6YJi1mU xEZ3rLjJjFRKz5TFhrYM4djM7npOs4Buuuwtx5I8rlWD6bhvBYRBiXEDvpXoPLPvfIWw 1ykQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AFqh2kquBVNkAiDl02ZN9JGxIttTw0ZNk+W8vfKwHjemZ4HGDpHF0lQb +jAn2O7bJlqujLs5lAV96o3XU5Tvd/DLtlaMN9uypw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMrXdXtangw62xPTm0KXhhOlpvi8vJeo4pvJo2p+K4r8OwFHVNWCLfuWAFHQ//OQMwNNC1cWZEZyxOmLvC5VQXjFzsc= X-Received: by 2002:a67:c885:0:b0:3c6:b0a1:298d with SMTP id v5-20020a67c885000000b003c6b0a1298dmr3544520vsk.9.1672522797422; Sat, 31 Dec 2022 13:39:57 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <335F89A9-30C2-41A2-8E84-C2D761746634@planet.nl> In-Reply-To: From: Clem Cole Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2022 16:39:31 -0500 Message-ID: To: Dan Cross Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000038310805f1268f1e" Message-ID-Hash: HA6JBGDSOPHINZKEGWR3QAML6MRJS3YV X-Message-ID-Hash: HA6JBGDSOPHINZKEGWR3QAML6MRJS3YV X-MailFrom: clemc@ccc.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: Paul Ruizendaal , The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Porting the SysIII kernel: boot, config & device drivers List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --00000000000038310805f1268f1e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Dec 31, 2022 at 4:11 PM Dan Cross wrote: > > I'm going to push back on this slightly: UEFI+ACPI get a bad rap > because, well, they're really pretty bad. Oh sure, some things are > reasonable: the ACPI table formats aren't awful. But I've been inside > a couple of these now and phew golly, they stink pretty badly. > Fair enough. UEFI+ACPI started from BIOS and really should have been a full re-think and write by senior OS people. It was not. The problem for us techies, is that doing that was not going to save or make anyone $s. The problem for management was they wanted to keep the old BIOS around (that's what the customer wanted - cheapest path forward) and unless there was a reason to break from tradition, they were not going too. Apple could (and did) but HP/Dell et al did not want too. =E1=90=A7 --00000000000038310805f1268f1e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sat, Dec 31, 2022 at 4:11= PM Dan Cross <crossd@gmail.com&= gt; wrote:

I'm going to push back on this slightly: UEFI+ACPI get a bad rap
because, well, they're really pretty bad. Oh sure, some things are
reasonable: the ACPI table formats aren't awful. But I've been insi= de
a couple of these now and phew golly, they stink pretty badly.=C2=A0
Fair=C2=A0enough.=C2=A0 =C2=A0UEFI+ACPI started from BIO= S and really should have been a full re-think and write by senior=C2=A0OS p= eople.=C2=A0

It was not.=C2=A0 =C2=A0The pro= blem for us techies, is that doing that was not going to save or make anyon= e $s.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0
The problem for management was they wan= ted to keep the old BIOS around (that's what the customer wanted - chea= pest path forward) and unless there was a reason to break from tradition, t= hey were not going too.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Apple could (and did) but HP/Dell et al= did not want too.=C2=A0=C2=A0
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