From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 8bc92cac for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2019 14:35:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 3C6A59B9BD; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 00:35:37 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 290FD9491B; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 00:35:21 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b="gHD7qZ3H"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 4034D9491B; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 00:35:19 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-wm1-f46.google.com (mail-wm1-f46.google.com [209.85.128.46]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5F6C994803 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 00:35:18 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-wm1-f46.google.com with SMTP id v15so22433121wml.0 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2019 07:35:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=ND65ry9Jkxuy5KJeM3tCPms43J+dVFs0npuUeSLIf24=; b=gHD7qZ3HKUlOt3zjZPRuY2dk77opfiKIlvKrQODkwipdFvc62W8jcW0MqFkrebEmpu WQxPDH/rGTLMza4jsUjXes76Zk/6gAsvktr+X5B4zh5scVJ4cG1foZdECcRgVszPAFjb XTO97roWhtKJywCeAxFuu/5KGvtkxupklfOL0= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ND65ry9Jkxuy5KJeM3tCPms43J+dVFs0npuUeSLIf24=; b=Z2QferT341QEIjL9kLDg2Km38F2r6JPDGAbpNq7IvninR084kQr9Da9VVEu/y+h7Xr TBFqfHGi0N2vxEghxZRpe78FoulGrQKibmItpgpsCX5XzgBwVJOtbcfeFOGx82eumrji 6ZlkUiZGl5IgOCqBQY74KmeBOHF9AUNV9FsJqN+jgwKhZsLLT8V7Q2AYlJ1KDVjy0Nf+ wRn7RaucIOn0PSXWax/gNyDWyFBqywRj1atqiYcGVEb5+CtwwgsL18gyyFw3mteTQVge mUKnMrj+u2oJYJOtGAtPSZKFdFL0DNnC4VjNWbjuqH0sUwrAoYTzR+nI1AssCeymjhkc iCDA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAU/9ozt3FX/qiHvXBUJyneJ1bQfhDyTt0tBMjop3UXFCOz1i77V tVxTAsTV/rRDqOmjejRz1Jmu8cVIeYtZSgEUjvxW2MLCsRY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzduF/Ds8nstYK8d08/VM/yj4jXnQFGbI/wgcc+lyfVm/U4JWOlHKCeQUAmZVE2xT06Yb0623WnoFElKgUe+8M= X-Received: by 2002:a1c:345:: with SMTP id 66mr37629377wmd.8.1563374116889; Wed, 17 Jul 2019 07:35:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8235a090-c48a-4587-8974-23305233bc33@PU1APC01FT026.eop-APC01.prod.protection.outlook.com> <3CFC8159-08DD-4647-8CEF-FE8D196AB3C9@ccc.com> <610F6FCB-F24D-4788-953A-83E0E6456622@ccc.com> <017d16e0-3a7d-b3e7-29b8-8a454d78463f@e-bbes.com> <201907170810.x6H8AELx031974@freefriends.org> <46FC947C-F150-4835-A858-3EE05A394A6A@alchemistowl.org> In-Reply-To: <46FC947C-F150-4835-A858-3EE05A394A6A@alchemistowl.org> From: Clem Cole Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 10:34:51 -0400 Message-ID: To: Arrigo Triulzi Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000e3758d058de16604" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Old 386 Unix Versions, was: Re: PCC for the i386 X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000e3758d058de16604 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 5:28 AM Arrigo Triulzi wrote: > Does anyone have documentation or history for European efforts in the > Unix-like operating systems? Yes, I talk about it in my paper in the digital release of volume *CNAM Historical Booklets* including your respective texts. http://technique-societe.cnam.fr/la-recherche-sur-les-systemes-des-pivots-d= ans-l-histoire-de-l-informatique-ii-ii-988170.kjsp?RH=3Dcdhte Note the web site is in French, and all the papers are A4 format, some are French some are in English (like mine own). [Send me email off line if you want a copy of the paper and don't want try to get the whole thing]. > For example there was Bull=E2=80=99s Chorus which I seem to recall was ba= sed on > Mach or a competing microkernel (it was a very long time ago and I used i= t > for no mare than about two hours..). > Close, not quite. Contemporaries but not the same. Chorus was a C++ rewrite of Gien's Pascal based 'SOL' systems [Gien M. (1983). =E2=80=9CThe SOL Operating System=E2=80=9D, USENIX Association, 198= 3, Proceedings of the Summer =E2=80=9883 USENIX Conference, Toronto, Canada, July, 1983, P= ages 75-78.] > > I am rather saddened by the fact that there is so much about all the Unix > (and not only Unix) history of computing in the USA and so very little in > Europe. Fair, although not completely true. USENIX and it's European sisters did a number of conferences back in the day. If we missed, other than Australia, we probably did less in Asia that we could have. The truth was that the European's wanted to be published in the ACM or USENIX pubs (just like most American's and Brits wanted to publish in the Swiss and German journals for Physics and Chemistry in the 30s and 40s). But I think a lot of us in the community, certainly were aware of the lot of cool things happening 'across the pond.' Please don't sell yourself and your non-North American sisters and brothers so short. > I wouldn=E2=80=99t even know where to start, to be honest, all I have as = a history > is the Italian side from my father and his other mad friends and colleagu= es > in Milan. So little of it is recorded, never mind written down. > That's a shame to hear. I hope we can find more of it. --000000000000e3758d058de16604 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 5:28 AM Arrigo Triulzi <<= a href=3D"mailto:arrigo@alchemistowl.org">arrigo@alchemistowl.org> w= rote:
Does anyone have documentation or history f= or European efforts in the Unix-like operating systems?
Yes, I talk about it in my paper in=C2=A0the digital release of volume=C2=A0CNAM Historical Booklets=C2=A0including your respe= ctive texts.=C2=A0

http://technique-societe.cnam.fr/la-recherche-sur-les-systemes-= des-pivots-dans-l-histoire-de-l-informatique-ii-ii-988170.kjsp?RH=3Dcdhte=C2=A0


Note the web site is in French, an= d all the papers are A4 format, some are French some are in English (like m= ine own). =C2=A0 [Send me email off line if you want a copy of the paper an= d don't want try to get the whole thing].

For example there was Bull=E2=80= =99s Chorus which I seem to recall was based on Mach or a competing microke= rnel (it was a very long time ago and I used it for no mare than about two = hours..).

I am rather saddened by the fact that there is so much about all the Unix (= and not only Unix) history of computing in the USA and so very little in Eu= rope.
I wouldn=E2=80=99t even know where to start, = to be honest, all I have as a history is the Italian side from my father an= d his other mad friends and colleagues in Milan. So little of it is recorde= d, never mind written down.
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