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From: Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com>
To: Andrew Warkentin <andreww591@gmail.com>
Cc: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org
Subject: Re: [TUHS] First Unix-like OSes not derived from AT&T code?
Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 11:43:02 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAC20D2Nr8wf8OLuJXbT=d31bHEJLsk2+AGsNFF21m2i8sEp_uw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAD-qYGpQCRMFhJsAQEFntvzOj5XmbRFvVO02Jgx-3CVpJrY0zw@mail.gmail.com>

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On Sun, May 1, 2022 at 5:34 AM Andrew Warkentin <andreww591@gmail.com>
wrote:

> What was the first "clone" functional Unix (i.e. an OS not derived
> from genetic Unix code but highly compatible with genetic Unix)? Idris
> is the earliest such OS of which I am aware (at least AFAIK it's not a
> genetic Unix), but was it actually the first?

I know of none before this that tried to truly 'clone' all the (v6) kernel
functionality and many tools.



> Similarly, which was the
> first "outer Unix-like" system (i.e. one with strong Unix influence
> but significantly incompatible with functional Unix)? Off the top of
> my head the earliest such system I can think of is Thoth (which
> predates Idris by almost 2 years), but again I'm not sure if it was
> actually the first.
>
Thoth Thucks....   [Kelly Booth gave me one of these tee's years go].

Mike Malcolm did not try to clone UNIX - for one thing, it was in B [which
Steve Johnson has spread the gospel of same on his sabbatical).  It was not
until the Thoth rewrite that became QNX that they tried to ensure all of
the Unix behaviors and APIs.  Mike was certainly had an influence by UNIX
and IIRC his thesis and the Thoth papers reference/compare it.

The first non-C style mostly cone was Holt's Tunis in the early 1980-s (in
Euclid IIRC - which is similar to, but different from, Hansen and Wirth's
Concurrent-Pascal).
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-05-02 15:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-05-01  9:30 Andrew Warkentin
2022-05-01 11:43 ` Ron Natalie
2022-05-01 11:56   ` Rob Pike
2022-05-01 14:03     ` Kenneth Goodwin
2022-05-03  4:37       ` Jim Carpenter
2022-05-01 14:09   ` Kenneth Goodwin
2022-05-01 18:08     ` ron minnich
2022-05-01 18:22       ` Charles H Sauer (he/him)
2022-05-01 19:49         ` Dan Stromberg
2022-05-01 20:37           ` Charles H Sauer (he/him)
2022-05-02  2:08       ` Kenneth Goodwin
2022-05-02  9:21         ` Dr Iain Maoileoin
2022-05-02 20:19           ` Rich Morin
2022-05-02 21:30             ` Clem Cole
2022-05-02 21:36             ` Dan Cross
2022-05-10 15:28         ` Mary Ann Horton
2022-05-10 16:08           ` Warner Losh
2022-05-10 16:40             ` Heinz Lycklama
2022-05-10 16:42             ` James Frew
2022-05-14  2:56             ` Mary Ann Horton
2022-05-10 16:59           ` Clem Cole
2022-05-10 17:18             ` Clem Cole
2022-05-10 18:05               ` Charles H Sauer (he/him)
2022-05-10 19:27                 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2022-05-10 19:08               ` Henry Bent
2022-05-10 19:33                 ` Richard Salz
2022-05-10 20:18                   ` Ronald Natalie
2022-05-11 16:20                     ` James Frew
2022-05-11 16:51                       ` Paul Winalski
2022-05-10 20:28                   ` Henry Bent
2022-05-10 20:43                   ` Warner Losh
2022-05-10 20:46                   ` Clem Cole
2022-05-11 16:44                     ` Paul Winalski
2022-05-11 17:09                       ` Clem Cole
2022-05-11 17:35                       ` Larry McVoy
2022-05-12  0:16                         ` George Michaelson
2022-05-13  2:46                         ` Adam Thornton
2022-05-15  0:48                           ` Larry McVoy
2022-05-15  5:36                             ` Adam Thornton
2022-05-15 13:37                               ` Larry McVoy
2022-05-12  5:22                       ` Warner Losh
2022-05-12 12:06                         ` Ron Natalie
2022-05-12 12:43                           ` John Cowan
2022-05-15  2:00         ` Stuart Remphrey
2022-05-02  2:42       ` Phil Budne
2022-05-02  6:46         ` Ron Natalie
2022-05-02 13:50           ` Clem Cole
2022-05-02 14:46             ` tytso
2022-05-02 15:38               ` Clem Cole
2022-05-02 20:31                 ` Warner Losh
2022-05-03  5:01                   ` tytso
2022-05-03 11:35                     ` Richard Salz
2022-05-02 23:30           ` Gregg Levine
     [not found]           ` <CAK7dMtD08weh+97mx+ncrq0cxprKgke42C0vFYNPnBkd8Fx9Sg@mail.gmail.com>
2022-05-03  7:28             ` Ronald Natalie
2022-05-02 12:59         ` Kenneth Goodwin
2022-05-02 14:13           ` Richard Salz
2022-05-02 13:14         ` tytso
2022-05-02 13:32           ` Larry McVoy
2022-05-02 13:16         ` Dan Cross
2022-05-02 14:14           ` Miod Vallat
2022-05-02 14:50             ` ron minnich
2022-05-02 16:13             ` Al Kossow
2022-05-02 18:46               ` Miod Vallat
2022-05-02 19:54               ` Chet Ramey
2022-05-02 21:17             ` Dan Cross
2022-05-02 23:49               ` George Michaelson
2022-05-03  7:22                 ` Ronald Natalie
2022-05-03  7:40               ` Miod Vallat
2022-05-03  8:03                 ` Ron Natalie
     [not found]               ` <CAEoi9W4eD8AF=FwjMT-KPRfyYgD+qgVvE1u3sBwiovm4=1WWLg@mail.g mail.com>
2022-05-03 12:14                 ` John Foust via TUHS
2022-05-01 20:55 ` Michael Huff
2022-05-03  4:55   ` Jim Carpenter
2022-05-02 15:43 ` Clem Cole [this message]
2022-05-02 16:16   ` Bakul Shah
2022-05-02 16:19     ` Bakul Shah
2022-05-02 17:14       ` Clem Cole
2022-05-02 16:29     ` Larry McVoy
2022-05-02 17:42     ` Clem Cole
2022-05-02 17:59       ` Bakul Shah

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