From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id d6869ea3 for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2019 19:48:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 0BCF39BD5D; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 05:48:49 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86DAF9BD1C; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 05:48:34 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b="dnDn38gA"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id D209F9BD1C; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 05:48:32 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-wr1-f50.google.com (mail-wr1-f50.google.com [209.85.221.50]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 293D19BA1C for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 05:48:32 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-wr1-f50.google.com with SMTP id b9so3153435wrs.0 for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2019 12:48:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=cTRuODTuavaCENjMydMlEVrvqauH5O7Uz9+ZF4yuF/4=; b=dnDn38gA70Sf2QnSaS74Emjuq8ggm6bOyc8Gal86GLUc+OFNysGQo16EgXqpw74nA7 PesqUH0GkVaQNFFAXG2r/7EQ1BgfqDfOwz9qrCbQBWWG87K+vt6zw42tM8alaWvRTYjT /XF/pqXE9nCetuKKLNmRHL9x84a7gNNIz+PAU= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=cTRuODTuavaCENjMydMlEVrvqauH5O7Uz9+ZF4yuF/4=; b=r2hQsmikEByNAifKT/ZcJ2D4x3IBP2mbI0wogFDJT4a0Qi0U7NnzCXq7qY7ihHPv3P Nb4IJPGL6v6Co+68Skzs+IiyGc5ZanzS6pXUiPOZiP2GmhL661jZgc15cxRtusZpDjfp eKqhdMiW1vUFuvx8DwNekkj/m2ERlHZG2VZIB5o4qxFeUMxwkxDwfYeSVJoBYJLKrxlc xTY8YqjZcGFz66i/3fZX9CvrvoWscJkMysjW6zxGKoEWiCaWyX0Pk5z0H+Ol/nrugIbG bFWS3IOPLnTcThrnhg5owWe/lQGXGoGlA8lPIgWXNesQRZ3jRPt7jj1UaTFWkGM0MK9/ /e+A== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXy/SN31hHjmzpD/8dmGbK85A4km8LKPF5CYsoxkJPgfYqL31NE 7Jd7LIH6W7gzz3879RB1VzB9VXmSHqp5iuGnBTvE9tkGF18= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyecVGDdLscXSNDO6HMyKN3deB/6dAJvdrUOOuudBiWq0Qgtis9WuhQs8+xuoDr6z7TKLNBkX2Bjg8Mvxly/OE= X-Received: by 2002:adf:e5c3:: with SMTP id a3mr9736348wrn.217.1568576910686; Sun, 15 Sep 2019 12:48:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <201909132024.x8DKObEP013266@darkstar.fourwinds.com> <463d5cc4-9bef-9ac3-a680-a5161d664dc1@aueb.gr> <20190913221345.GA16129@minnie.tuhs.org> <20190914020240.GO2046@mcvoy.com> <20190914024433.GA19193@minnie.tuhs.org> <2e84c4d0-5239-b223-856d-00aacf8d3028@andrewnesbit.org> <201909150654.x8F6sChG021185@freefriends.org> In-Reply-To: From: Clem Cole Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2019 15:48:05 -0400 Message-ID: To: Dave Horsfall Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000090989305929cc55d" Subject: Re: [TUHS] earliest Unix roff X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --00000000000090989305929cc55d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I learn runoff from the IBM and the TOPS, then PUB then Scribe before I saw the nroff/troff family. I have fond memories of using Scribe (which was sort of the model for the LaTex macros when it got tied up in the legal entanglements of CMU). So UNIX was what I had and became adept at it. Like Larry, it's still my goto today and even prefer to Word for anything over a single page. On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 3:01 AM Dave Horsfall wrote: > For some reason I prefer the MS macros, probably because I learnt them > first and I find it difficult to use MM. > The order I learned them was -mm {PWB}, -ms {V7}, -man {V7}, -ms {Tek}, -me {UCB}, -mS {MSCP}, -man {UCB version}. I feel into -ms with a couple of macros from -mS (.Li/Le for lists which were similar to MM's) for big documents, and the UCB -man for really simple things. It becomes a 'less is more' sort of thing - -mm and too complicated and I was not writing BTL tech memos, and after I did not my thesis, I did not need Eric's work (which was perfect for a UCB thesis). --00000000000090989305929cc55d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I learn runoff from the IBM and the TO= PS, then PUB then Scribe before I saw the nroff/troff family.
I hav= e fond memories of using Scribe (which was sort of the model for the LaTex = macros when it got tied up in the legal entanglements of CMU).=C2=A0 =C2=A0= So UNIX was what I had and became adept at it.

Like La= rry, it's still my goto today and even prefer to Word for anything over= a single page.

On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 3:01 AM Dave Horsfall <dave@horsfall.org>= ; wrote:
For som= e reason I prefer the MS macros, probably because I learnt them
first and I find it difficult to use MM.
The ord= er I learned them was -mm {PWB}, -ms {V7}, -man {V7}, -ms {Tek}, -me {UCB}= , -mS {MSCP}, -man {UCB version}.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I feel into -ms with a couple= of macros from -mS (.Li/Le for lists which were similar to MM's) for b= ig documents, and the UCB -man for really simple things.=C2=A0 =C2=A0It bec= omes a 'less is more' sort of thing - -mm and too complicated and I= was not writing BTL tech memos, and after I did not my thesis, I did not n= eed Eric's work (which was perfect for a UCB thesis).
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