From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 36d6b8c3 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2019 17:01:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id E53559B7E4; Sat, 13 Jul 2019 03:01:24 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D7E594BCD; Sat, 13 Jul 2019 03:00:43 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b="ij9qbX3T"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id ACEDC94BCD; Sat, 13 Jul 2019 03:00:40 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-wm1-f66.google.com (mail-wm1-f66.google.com [209.85.128.66]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7E83294BBA for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2019 03:00:39 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-wm1-f66.google.com with SMTP id s3so9568302wms.2 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2019 10:00:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=18b3kcDtzaMXSCgjI8giP5td9cSL74nHmgRMdY7KwPY=; b=ij9qbX3Tfs+bKDpF9yfv+2axeQHHXsLXZyhBj2UCj0vSwhVfRQgWvQo8ApbrPVW5Rf IQwKl4KB78LviNps4jqVyW2Dc/U/yjobiLUIfh5RVtWYxkzyt4XoU2EOO6gfzJQuU4NC quABUZ1C5XMmPrpmNP/M3DsTWcv1MvJlX7pWs= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=18b3kcDtzaMXSCgjI8giP5td9cSL74nHmgRMdY7KwPY=; b=VKzz10OLckhSjt89an7EBhR9RUUgkpUERKs3U3S5A1/sXsWyCfDE0tNE5DsQVsK1k6 i+xK72SrMhBpQG6W/wwVfNf6ixzIqgeh13tH2yqU/kV9PQpFUJJdbPNIHbQszvjwmsLP KC+acASsxURMO0kkHKt44RnZe/IIDv+RTILBm0d1FK9oBR6aYJkWShmCBcpVYB+sGW7k kUh6P29uI4lRn7V6gtse86v9UVNqZ67GUrkhOz/tWZFEKUZvvXeD/FEb1a7eBN2d1k7M ippeymGP5Fqns7h5oEmhRSveDncjPrpNiRscbx/7FUPiKumJajvxpRwVTPTeXpn9U3nf fMPg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAV0uTq/EEpiKrwnnUJVROX2mnWfSnVRVHpx7K0S//c2qD6tXKVI ZradLo+O/Mo70v6Ql9AwbyJQZSLktZaFu9GbmrqSFd4rdLw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxwHWNlFoLj2369eTtRPuEFSC5LcXudMwy6xLKwRZrApulMy8RXFXARtE1L9yBHC5gmEJYVmtLWTXuYgPx6iLs= X-Received: by 2002:a1c:345:: with SMTP id 66mr10701110wmd.8.1562950837617; Fri, 12 Jul 2019 10:00:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <27f401d53834$51101140$f33033c0$@ronnatalie.com> In-Reply-To: From: Clem Cole Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 13:00:10 -0400 Message-ID: To: Nigel Williams Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000007a60c6058d7ed952" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Interactive Systems (was Pcc for 386) X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --0000000000007a60c6058d7ed952 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There were a number of them. As others have meantioned, the TGV folks did one, there were a number of tools from DECUS, and even DEC actually released more and more UNIX into VMS themselves. I used to carry a mag tape with vi, the shell and few basic tools that allowed me to edit things on VMS if I had to deal with it. The biggest issue was TCP/IP, since DECnet was the only networking for a such a long time from DEC. Stan Smith and I wrote the original VAX IP/TCP support for Tektronix in 1979, in BLISS and some small amount of VAX assembler. My friends (former coworkers) @ CMU took this back in and enhanced it (the CMU folks did a huge amount of work on the mail interface). IIRC I sent the tape to Danny Klein, but it might have been someone else. I have the code from the CMU's update of our work on 9-track tape, but I think it eventually also may have gone out on a DECUS tape. But I do know that this code base would make its way to DEC, where CJ and Wayne would take it to become the code base that started OpenVMS's version [CJ once told me he was impressed at how little they had to rewrite it, mostly removing some Vaxism's - Stan and I were not worried about portability, we just wanted something to talk correctly to the UNIX V7 TCP from 3COM (UNET) and the TCP we had written from the Cyber NOS]. Clem On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 11:56 PM Nigel Williams < nw@retrocomputingtasmania.com> wrote: > >> On Thu, 11 Jul 2019, ron@ronnatalie.com wrote: > >> > (PDP-11, 386) and also there =E2=80=9CUNIX running under VMS=E2=80= =9D product. > > Was there only three UNIX on VMS (or under...) options? > > Eunice: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eunice_(software) > > "phi"-nix: A Unix Emulator for VAX/VMS: > > https://scholarship.rice.edu/bitstream/handle/1911/101549/TR82-08.pdf?seq= uence=3D1&isAllowed=3Dy > > ISC's IS/1-WB Work Bench for VMS (UNIX Tools only?) > --0000000000007a60c6058d7ed952 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There were a number of them.=C2=A0 As others have meant= ioned, the TGV folks did one, there were a number of tools from DECUS, and = even DEC actually released more and more UNIX into VMS themselves.=C2=A0 = =C2=A0I used to carry a mag tape with vi, the shell and few basic tools tha= t allowed me to edit things on VMS if I had to deal with it.=C2=A0 The bigg= est issue was TCP/IP, since DECnet was the only networking for a such a lon= g time from DEC.

Stan Smith and I wrote the original V= AX IP/TCP support for Tektronix in 1979, in BLISS and some small amount of = VAX assembler.=C2=A0 My friends (former coworkers) @ CMU took this back in = and enhanced it (the CMU folks did a huge amount of work on the mail interf= ace).=C2=A0 IIRC I sent the tape to Danny Klein, but it might have been som= eone else.

I have the code from the CMU's update o= f our work on 9-track tape, but I think it eventually also may have gone ou= t on a DECUS tape.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 But I do know that this code base would mak= e its way to DEC, where CJ and Wayne would take it to become the code base = that started OpenVMS's version [CJ once told me he was impressed at how= little they had to rewrite it, mostly removing some Vaxism's - Stan an= d I were not worried about portability, we just wanted something to talk co= rrectly to the UNIX V7 TCP from 3COM (UNET) and the TCP we had written from= the Cyber NOS].=C2=A0

Clem

On Thu, Jul 11, 2019= at 11:56 PM Nigel Williams <nw@retrocomputingtasmania.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 11 Jul 2019, ron@ronnatalie.com wrote:=
>> > (PDP-11, 386) and also there =E2=80=9CUNIX running under VMS= =E2=80=9D product.

Was there only three UNIX on VMS (or under...) options?

Eunice:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eunice_(software)
"phi"-nix: A Unix Emulator for VAX/VMS:
= https://scholarship.rice.edu/bitstream/handle/1911/101549/TR82-08.pdf?seque= nce=3D1&isAllowed=3Dy

ISC's IS/1-WB Work Bench for VMS (UNIX Tools only?)
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