From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 21373 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2023 18:00:27 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (2600:3c01:e000:146::1) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 5 Jul 2023 18:00:27 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52E94402DE; Thu, 6 Jul 2023 04:00:22 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-ua1-x932.google.com (mail-ua1-x932.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::932]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B1601402D8 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2023 04:00:09 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-ua1-x932.google.com with SMTP id a1e0cc1a2514c-78f32e233a0so2328843241.0 for ; Wed, 05 Jul 2023 11:00:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; t=1688580008; x=1691172008; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=RBwJ2WKzghhsNBt0yJ6PXbZ0lzjQE2nSu4rFha3B0qg=; b=SZS7mv8rTAogU7MEJkfb9zjHdNdjwO/7aae4q4yEHbqn18ANlg8aWi/kXduZIPuZW8 KojEN1lpt2129NpL4tBBiPEuBam5ddPEU8eyvRAiIr8zCyiut2lFmBroUMePtNESQFpS Hnksec3sgczMO4hE8nERWrQfQSU/SJlZQ23aU= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1688580008; x=1691172008; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=RBwJ2WKzghhsNBt0yJ6PXbZ0lzjQE2nSu4rFha3B0qg=; b=RDsaQJ4q80BIgzkfgGB8N310TXx+FIPn4TfyLwxxTP+NIvFPWE3S4OFqmsIzZVpHIt nob1LqjRrveJlynQ++J/a+dhuUHFZDsiMrU89Yz9g3lBAJ9AWiQ56Y47p+1UON9UPUvE Y+/CAMDcLF55uvvRdJCwxHrwUJW1Z6J+MO8wF86Ydatyf6yYUIydm+o8iJPuPVzA6SY0 gS1M5/XDpjXTfRJddirQD0gboryJRIZxQM3bFpza1ZU0ECHqz40Rmi/H+pcTZGNHcxgu thZimIDzRS1CglLxEa0usWbZb3959+p2mAq38rJH4GdJBWujKjqumSCR7POuHX+JsR1N 2/eA== X-Gm-Message-State: ABy/qLYHQabX4T5fZpDJWs7JKAJ7Xd+ulB7eWcJExUKTknTUkdNtOQlf 1XIYUlRjhjaAvpi/hQnfT41FKWFkMivMDx2i9oppAQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APBJJlFtd82KCaDITYL0hYwKfx4P3s0YafTAktrLKeKpSjJkMc7+jL5j2RbeBtkV0rgJjUNDK/nj56nKglxPiqt3pi8= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6102:3013:b0:443:69fd:3628 with SMTP id s19-20020a056102301300b0044369fd3628mr8430405vsa.13.1688580008397; Wed, 05 Jul 2023 11:00:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Clem Cole Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2023 13:59:57 -0400 Message-ID: To: segaloco Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000093613e05ffc12b36" Message-ID-Hash: U6N2IGT6AGSPFRAYMIWELTONXMHFPKOG X-Message-ID-Hash: U6N2IGT6AGSPFRAYMIWELTONXMHFPKOG X-MailFrom: clemc@ccc.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Lions commentary List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --00000000000093613e05ffc12b36 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A troff version does exist - as I recall it was Ian J that recovered that. I=E2=80=99ll go poking later when I have a real computer not my mobile. Th= e actual nroff version that =E2=80=98typeset=E2=80=99 for Printronix 300 printer tha= t John used may or may not be. It was done pre-make(1) so it was v6 script. While you can find a pdf of troffed version in the wild, I recommend getting the bound version from Amazon these days. I believe care was made to ensure it lined up exactly like the original - although T is bound as one volume not two. Like Rich, my nth generation copy of the original is quite faded and more difficult to read On Wed, Jul 5, 2023 at 12:11 PM segaloco via TUHS wrote: > I think this is a great community engagement activity. That said, can't > do the printing myself. I'll throw myself out there as a potential > customer though, I have the print version they did many many years later > but it'd be cool to have one of the samizdat copies. To whoever does spe= ak > for this and start producing volumes, you've got your first customer! > > - Matt G. > > P.S. Are the typesetter sources for the commentary preserved anywhere? > The typesetting style is very, very much like a small Bell System Teletyp= e > 28 training course document that I want to see about recreating as source= s, > might be able to take some pointers from the commentary. > ------- Original Message ------- > On Wednesday, July 5th, 2023 at 7:01 AM, Rich Salz > wrote: > > I have a copy of Lions's "A Commentary on the UNIX Operating System" It i= s > an n-th generation photocopy that I've had for some number of decades. It > also has the source code, as I guess all of those copies did back in the > day. I could just recycle the paper -- it's yellowed with age -- but I'd > rather pay it forward and ship it to someone who promises to make copies > for others who want it. This is also on bitsavers, so you're only doing > this to preserve the sense of history in passing photocopies around. > > I'll take bids on how many copies you'll provide. I'll post the winning > bid (without their address), so that the community can pressureXXXXXX > ensure they meet their commitment. I'll send it out by the end of the wee= k. > > I will give preference to US/Canada domestic addresses since that is > easier for me. How much preference is left to my discretion. :) > > I hope this doesn't make me sound like a jerk; it's intended to be > lighthearted community service. > > > -- Sent from a handheld expect more typos than usual --00000000000093613e05ffc12b36 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
A troff version does exist - as I recall it was Ian J tha= t recovered that.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ll go poking later when I have a real com= puter not my mobile.=C2=A0 The actual nroff version that =E2=80=98typeset= =E2=80=99 for Printronix 300 printer that John used may or may not be.=C2= =A0 It was done pre-make(1) so it was v6 script. =C2=A0

While you can find a pdf of troffed version= in the wild, I recommend getting the bound version from Amazon these days.= I believe care was made to ensure it lined up exactly like the original - = although T is bound as one volume not two.=C2=A0
Like Rich, my nth generation copy of the original = is quite faded and more difficult to read=C2=A0

On Wed, Jul 5, 2023= at 12:11 PM segaloco via TUHS <tuhs@tu= hs.org> wrote:
I think this= is a great community engagement activity.=C2=A0 That said, can't do th= e printing myself.=C2=A0 I'll throw myself out there as a potential cus= tomer though, I have the print version they did many many years later but i= t'd be cool to have one of the samizdat copies.=C2=A0 To whoever does s= peak for this and start producing volumes, you've got your first custom= er!

- Matt G.

P.S. Are the typesetter sou= rces for the commentary preserved anywhere?=C2=A0 The typesetting style is = very, very much like a small Bell System Teletype 28 training course docume= nt that I want to see about recreating as sources, might be able to take so= me pointers from the commentary.
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On Wednesday, July 5th, 2023 at 7:01 AM, Rich Salz <rich.salz@gmail.com> wr= ote:

I have a copy of Lions's "A Comm= entary on the UNIX Operating System" It is an n-th generation photoco= py that I've had for some number of decades. It also has the source cod= e, as I guess all of those copies did back in the day. I could just recycl= e the paper -- it's yellowed with age -- but I'd rather pay it forw= ard and ship it to someone who promises to make copies for others who want = it. This is also on bitsavers, so you're only doing this to preserve th= e sense of history in passing photocopies around.

<= div>I'll take bids on how many copies you'll provide. I'll post= the winning bid (without their address), so that the community can pressur= eXXXXXX ensure they meet their commitment. I'll send it out by the end= of the week.

I will give preference to US/Can= ada domestic addresses since that is easier for me. How much preference is = left to my discretion. :)

I hope this doesn't = make me sound like a jerk; it's intended to be lighthearted community s= ervice.

-= -
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