From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 22432 invoked from network); 26 May 2020 14:33:47 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 26 May 2020 14:33:47 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id AC39C9C939; Wed, 27 May 2020 00:33:45 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CF769C6B4; Wed, 27 May 2020 00:33:14 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b="HYKkgS98"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id C4B669C6B4; Wed, 27 May 2020 00:33:11 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qv1-f51.google.com (mail-qv1-f51.google.com [209.85.219.51]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2BBD993D53 for ; Wed, 27 May 2020 00:33:11 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qv1-f51.google.com with SMTP id ee19so9485812qvb.11 for ; Tue, 26 May 2020 07:33:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=JJgmU04SHqKe/yBs3+3IF2u9GtFUo8a73tzAZQY0ol4=; b=HYKkgS989a3c9NMgt7PtX7nRYv0c695jALwWOByHQ9IwjPBCAJVEoRqv5u49a6b93q k3GPB3yLATccResDxbevjjG19tGTz33k+JN/jf3O90/NmFJHzBYk801/YLrumvPZZI3N lTxNV+64gcChBf29yY8T9Iz+8lzGXCC5s2DGY= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=JJgmU04SHqKe/yBs3+3IF2u9GtFUo8a73tzAZQY0ol4=; b=G09DaUrfMuyYftMB3bjGAnz+rtVe9ahKDRVSfJulnaRVvqkMcGt2dEaASrIGZXaQh8 jQmxHU1Z2Wd57qUJyg8loSUQiQuXs0U8T3zfNBw+BRg2LSgOVJTxODfQovATktqL45zV UTg3dmbB7G61LsiF0cOALKR7emX1zusTz4QzZiD2lyzGMJOuwhgnjfpMJBjbmacW4WT0 zm9qlIlfhuG3V66KzYhl4MDD46/E/qXHwjBHpszLK/FIGcJig6YhA17xcy1t6d1IEqmC DazfyYgoco7bnS7dIj+AARvbORgGHbOt0ZdzRvJXmK3ifeZyfpOoe6dSEZUYAu+j1toi PrXQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533bI+TVxDLVlUOCjkYtz2c3qIwTC1CJwG7hnMqJWmFLxL6FCIvc SOHucEiqgzLxY500gsW3F0U5S6g04VIlbMLuOYEJ9rYjijk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwDxjfKr7h8LOxiw3XQg588LtZ1wRcZJyVZGePsfz/0Q5CZr9SZsUk8U9B9xRnKskIR+759WduiezDLQqQv+tk= X-Received: by 2002:a0c:a284:: with SMTP id g4mr19997953qva.243.1590503590025; Tue, 26 May 2020 07:33:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8a2e9b1b-8890-a783-5b53-c8480c070f2e@telegraphics.com.au> In-Reply-To: From: Clem Cole Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 10:32:43 -0400 Message-ID: To: Dave Horsfall Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000007f8a0005a68df94d" Subject: Re: [TUHS] History of popularity of C X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --0000000000007f8a0005a68df94d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 12:22 AM Dave Horsfall wrote: > On Sat, 23 May 2020, Clem Cole wrote: > > > [...] Pascal tries to be the answer, but I think it suffered from the > > fact that it makes Pascal a production quality language, you had a > > extend it and everybody's extensions were different. > > Perhaps I'm the only one here, but when I was taught Pascal (possibly by > Dr. Lions himself) it was emphasised to us that it was not a production > language bur a *teaching* language; you designed your algorithm, debugged > it with the Pascal compiler, then hand-translated it into your favourite > language (and debugged it again :-/). > > Dave that was exactly my point. Pascal was designed as a teaching language so Wirth did not put things into the language that made it helpful as a production language. So everyone else tried and the language became a mess. Everybody peed on it. Dennis' quote: =E2=80=9CWhen I read commen= tary about suggestions for where C should go, I often think back and give thanks that it wasn't developed under the advice of a worldwide crowd.=E2=80=9D It's not that you could not turn Pascal into a production language, but every attempt to try to do so was done in a different manner. And within firms it was always different. Eight different 'Tek Pascal' implementations -- all close, but different - he says shaking his head. --0000000000007f8a0005a68df94d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 12:2= 2 AM Dave Horsfall <dave@horsfall.o= rg> wrote:
Dave th= at was exactly my point.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Pascal was designed as a teaching lang= uage so Wirth did not put things into the language that made it helpful as = a production language.=C2=A0 =C2=A0So everyone else tried and the language = became a mess.=C2=A0 Everybody peed on it.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Dennis' quote:= =C2=A0=E2= =80=9CWhen I read commentary about suggestions for where C should go, I oft= en think back and give thanks that it wasn't developed under the advice= of a worldwide crowd.=E2=80=9D

It's not that you could not turn Pascal into a production language, bu= t every attempt to try to do so was done in a different manner.=C2= =A0=C2=A0 And within firms it was always different.=C2=A0 Eight differe= nt 'Tek Pascal' implementations -- all close, but different - he sa= ys shaking his head.=C2=A0=C2=A0


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