From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 22922 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2021 16:07:01 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 10 Jun 2021 16:07:01 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id AEC2C93DC7; Fri, 11 Jun 2021 02:06:58 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A195993D1B; Fri, 11 Jun 2021 02:06:25 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b="BPw1/OHo"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 3316A93D1B; Fri, 11 Jun 2021 02:06:22 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qk1-f173.google.com (mail-qk1-f173.google.com [209.85.222.173]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8902F93D06 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2021 02:06:21 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qk1-f173.google.com with SMTP id d196so22720783qkg.12 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2021 09:06:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=RWhjVhFP3u2hqFDbjT8tQ7hKiTMC12YtqXRc0iLmuQ8=; b=BPw1/OHoSqk4f3U75oeStqcjALUjpIOh1uMnXcEF/VIVd76+3RqrEwglsr228J4GEd Ybg4eRmZ1NwZA8renH2tEk9WaC0Ftai6DfPAXPdk/40d2/3wSEuRJe6+JHzrk25MVXWJ QMRKBVaXJIkDjfdIzeK9G6F1ZeQyeA8lxPX1g= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=RWhjVhFP3u2hqFDbjT8tQ7hKiTMC12YtqXRc0iLmuQ8=; b=R/7GpnlrBqucQ/e9RiJ+XKgUVFdYFKkiBaVVLOqSrYdQGhv0N4anjsR+SWMCj2W+Dq Qc5iQiv/6m4GdC+MptkeVfy8zhCCEswH7CAA+3yVaEntD6fFhrT3mF/1dBkbC6c5CwW1 WvarQJcLooFNTaIcjQWBTM2JeCYTL0WLOLVkhLZ4DzlJUDYYLap2IRcZzTqvt8MxW0Yp VF5XMpqrTvo4yb+QYcqxnRAUFX415b/ya8q75DSp41sKW/RSwiRJP2HryssNG06rEI61 bmgs+diKrx5/QVo20VyJysRj91TzWsJM8J1BKK9GwjVP8p1vHPl6x3zZAwsY3vl40d/N /mJQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531r5t7ALq5GYFZxrZ8I51rM8fCvzDqb0mNJ/hvVSsHBNIDGB0kd v7WJ5GnKaaRkfqSQ3ttDbXdA9EuvwAgtRWRghR2ilA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyW288uwsA40BF153Yg4Jcg1O0C0snZGq8GzYGFwMcBbmRl1L6LrJIihNe8WquTfm133BHvjfHwHBCKbwx9LZo= X-Received: by 2002:a37:a557:: with SMTP id o84mr217509qke.307.1623341178844; Thu, 10 Jun 2021 09:06:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <202106100758.15A7weqm013326@freefriends.org> In-Reply-To: <202106100758.15A7weqm013326@freefriends.org> From: Clem Cole Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2021 12:05:54 -0400 Message-ID: To: Aharon Robbins Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000050990205c46b92b4" Subject: Re: [TUHS] System IV X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --00000000000050990205c46b92b4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 3:59 AM wrote: > System III had been released to the world. When I asked why AT&T > hadn't released Unix 4.0, I was told that the policy was to release > one version behind what was being run internally. > I was under that impression - I had referred to it in my message as the 'pre-Judge Green release rules.' After the Bell System break up (1/1/1984), AT&T decided to just > release what was current, thus the jump to System V, with "System IV" > never having gotten outside the Bell System. > Right. > There was also a screen editor, named 'se' (NOT related to the Georgia > Tech 'se' editor) which they'd managed to shoehorn onto the '11. > It was kinda cool. I used both it and 'ed'. vi was also available but > I found the modal stuff weird and didn't end up learning it until a year > or two later. :-) > I remember seeing se -- Brian Redman showed it to me IIRC. I never tried using it myself. I remember that he was not happy that it was not vi. If I recall the argument in USG was many of the BSD tools were not better or even as good as what USG had already created. But the USG folks did eventually add some of them to their stream because so many internal sites were already using them. In particular, v, csh and col -- but there were others too and the argument was we have those tools covered already i.e. pg vs. more or se vs. vi > > Hope this is of interest. > Definitely -- thank you. Clem =E1=90=A7 =E1=90=A7 --00000000000050990205c46b92b4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 3:59= AM <arnold@skeev= e.com> wrote:
System III had been released to the world.=C2=A0 When I asked why AT&T<= br> hadn't released Unix 4.0, I was told that the policy was to release
one version behind what was being run internally.
I was under that impression - I had referred to it = in my message as the 'pre-Judge Green release rules.'=C2=A0<= /font>

Right.
=C2=A0
There was also a screen editor, named 'se' (NOT related to the Geor= gia
Tech 'se' editor) which they'd managed to shoehorn onto the = 9;11.
It was kinda cool. I used both it and 'ed'. vi was also available b= ut
I found the modal stuff weird and didn't end up learning it until a yea= r
or two later. :-)
I remem= ber seeing se -- Brian Redman showed it to me IIRC.=C2=A0 I never tried usi= ng it myself.=C2=A0 I remember that he was not happy that it was not vi.=C2= =A0 =C2=A0If = I recall the argument in USG=C2=A0was many of the BSD tools = were not better or even as good as what USG had already created.=C2=A0 But = the USG folks did eventually add some of them to their stream=C2=A0b= ecause so many internal sites were already using them.=C2=A0 In particular,= v, csh and col -- but there were others too and the = argument was we have those tools covered already i.e. pg vs. more or se vs.= vi

=C2=A0=C2= =A0

Hope this is of interest.
= Definitely -- thank=C2=A0you.

Clem= =C2=A0
3D""=E1=90=A7
3D""=E1= =90=A7
--00000000000050990205c46b92b4--