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From: clemc@ccc.com (Clem Cole)
Subject: [TUHS] /dev/drum
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2018 13:37:27 -0400	[thread overview]
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On Sun, Apr 22, 2018 at 1:01 PM, Lars Brinkhoff <lars at nocrew.org> wrote:

> Dan Cross wrote:
> > Why was it called drum? I imagine that's historical license coupled
> > with grad student imagination, but I'm curious if it has origin in
> > actual hardware used at UC Berkeley. Clem, that was roughly your era,
> > was it not?
>
> Seems like the Project Genie 940 at UCB had a drum.  Maybe someone
> wanted to carry the tradition forward.


​The 'someone' in all of this was Bill Joy (wnj).​  As I said, in those
days, all of us knew of older systems that used 'paging drums' - it was
pretty common term for the hunk-a-storage that the system dedicated to be
available to page itself.   it really is just like the fact that by the
time of the VAX, DEC was not shipping core memories at all (and few 11's
shipped with core either as the thanks to Moore's law, the price of
semiconductor memory had dropped), so calling the main system memory 'core'
was obsolete.   Thus, the UNIX term 'core dump' was really meaningless.
[In fact, Magic, the OS for the Tektronix Magnolia Machine has 'mos dump'
files - because I did that].

But the term 'core file' stuck, tools knew about, as did the programmers.
 The difference is that todays systems from Windows to UNIX flavors stopped
needed a dedicated swapping or paging space and instead was taught to just
use empty FS blocks.  So today's hacker has grown up without really knowing
what /dev/swap or /dev/drum was all about -- in fact that was exactly the
question that started this thread.

On the other hand, we still 'dump core' and use the core files for
debugging.  So, while the term 'drum' lost its meaning, 'core file' - might
be considered 'quaint' by todays hacker, it still has meaning.

Clem

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Thread overview: 117+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-04-20 15:02 Tim Bradshaw
2018-04-20 15:58 ` Clem Cole
2018-04-20 16:00 ` David Collantes
2018-04-20 16:12   ` Dan Cross
2018-04-20 16:21     ` Clem Cole
2018-04-20 16:33     ` Warner Losh
2018-04-20 19:17       ` Ron Natalie
2018-04-20 20:23         ` Clem Cole
2018-04-20 22:10         ` Dave Horsfall
2018-04-22 17:01     ` Lars Brinkhoff
2018-04-22 17:37       ` Clem Cole [this message]
2018-04-22 19:14         ` Bakul Shah
2018-04-22 20:58         ` Mutiny
2018-04-22 22:37           ` Clem cole
2018-04-22 21:51         ` Dave Horsfall
2018-04-25  1:27           ` Dan Stromberg
2018-04-25 12:18             ` Ronald Natalie
2018-04-25 13:39               ` Tim Bradshaw
2018-04-25 14:02                 ` arnold
2018-04-25 14:59                   ` tfb
2018-04-25 14:33               ` Ian Zimmerman
2018-04-25 14:46                 ` Larry McVoy
2018-04-25 15:03                   ` ron minnich
2018-04-25 20:29               ` Paul Winalski
2018-04-25 20:45                 ` Larry McVoy
2018-04-25 21:14                   ` Lawrence Stewart
2018-04-25 21:30                     ` ron minnich
2018-04-25 23:01                 ` Bakul Shah
2018-04-23 16:42         ` Tim Bradshaw
2018-04-23 17:30           ` Ron Natalie
2018-04-23 17:51             ` Clem Cole
2018-04-23 18:30               ` Ron Natalie
2018-04-25 14:02                 ` Tom Ivar Helbekkmo
2018-04-25 14:38                   ` Clem Cole
2018-04-23 20:47               ` Grant Taylor
2018-04-23 21:06                 ` Clem Cole
2018-04-23 21:14                   ` Dan Mick
2018-04-23 21:27                     ` Clem Cole
2018-04-24  3:28                       ` [TUHS] 3330s, 3340s, Winchesters... (was: /dev/drum) Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2018-04-24 11:43                         ` Paul Winalski
2018-04-24 13:13                           ` Clem Cole
2018-04-25  0:52                             ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2018-04-25 20:54                               ` Paul Winalski
2018-04-23 22:07                 ` [TUHS] /dev/drum Tim Bradshaw
2018-04-23 22:15                   ` Warner Losh
2018-04-23 23:30                     ` Grant Taylor
2018-04-24  9:37                       ` Michael Kjörling
2018-04-24  9:57                         ` Dave Horsfall
2018-04-24 13:01                           ` Nemo
2018-04-24 13:03                         ` Arthur Krewat
2018-04-25  1:31                       ` [TUHS] Disk data layout (was: /dev/drum) Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2018-04-25  6:43                         ` Hellwig Geisse
2018-04-25 21:17                         ` Paul Winalski
2018-04-25 21:55                           ` Bakul Shah
2018-04-27 15:47                           ` Dave Horsfall
2018-04-27 18:16                             ` Paul Winalski
2018-04-27 18:37                               ` Clem Cole
2018-04-23 23:45                   ` [TUHS] /dev/drum Arthur Krewat
2018-04-24  8:05                     ` tfb
2018-04-20 16:45 Noel Chiappa
2018-04-20 16:53 ` Charles Anthony
2018-04-20 17:16 ` William Pechter
2018-04-20 23:35   ` Dave Horsfall
2018-04-22 11:48     ` Steve Simon
2018-04-22 18:06 Norman Wilson
2018-04-23 18:41 Noel Chiappa
2018-04-23 19:09 ` Clem Cole
2018-04-23 23:01 ` Dave Horsfall
2018-04-23 23:49   ` Dave Horsfall
2018-04-24  0:26   ` Ronald Natalie
2018-04-23 22:01 Noel Chiappa
2018-04-23 22:09 ` Warner Losh
     [not found] <mailman.125.1524526228.3788.tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
2018-04-23 23:44 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-04-23 23:57   ` Steve Nickolas
2018-04-24  0:24   ` Ronald Natalie
2018-04-24  0:25   ` Warren Toomey
2018-04-24  0:31     ` Dave Horsfall
2018-04-24  1:02   ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2018-04-24  4:32   ` Grant Taylor
2018-04-24  4:49     ` Bakul Shah
2018-04-24  4:59       ` Warner Losh
2018-04-24  6:22         ` Bakul Shah
2018-04-24 14:57           ` Warner Losh
2018-04-24  6:46   ` Lars Brinkhoff
2018-04-24  7:10 Rudi Blom
     [not found] <mailman.137.1524667148.3788.tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
2018-04-25 21:43 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-04-25 22:24 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-04-26  5:51   ` Tom Ivar Helbekkmo
2018-04-25 22:37 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-04-25 22:46 Noel Chiappa
     [not found] <mailman.139.1524690859.3788.tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
2018-04-25 22:54 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-04-25 22:55 Noel Chiappa
     [not found] <mailman.143.1524696952.3788.tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
2018-04-25 23:08 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-04-26  1:53 Noel Chiappa
     [not found] <mailman.1.1524708001.6296.tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
2018-04-27 22:41 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-04-27 23:01 Noel Chiappa
2018-04-27 23:10 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-04-27 23:39   ` Warner Losh
2018-04-28  0:19 Noel Chiappa
2018-04-28 10:41 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-04-28 12:19   ` Rico Pajarola
2018-04-28 20:40 Noel Chiappa
2018-04-29 15:37 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-04-29 16:34   ` Steve Nickolas
2018-04-29 16:48     ` Warner Losh
2018-04-30 15:05 Noel Chiappa
2018-04-30 16:43 ` Paul Winalski
2018-04-30 21:41 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-05-03  2:54 ` Charles Anthony
2018-05-03 11:39 Noel Chiappa
2018-05-03 21:22 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-05-05 13:06 Noel Chiappa
2018-05-05 20:53 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-05-06 13:07 Noel Chiappa
2018-05-06 15:57 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-05-07 15:36 Noel Chiappa
     [not found] <mailman.1.1525744802.16322.tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
2018-05-08 22:39 ` Johnny Billquist

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