From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [IPv6:2600:3c01:e000:146::1]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 833772B728 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2024 22:15:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10726432B8; Tue, 20 Feb 2024 07:15:04 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-vs1-xe2b.google.com (mail-vs1-xe2b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e2b]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6B922432AD for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2024 07:14:57 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-vs1-xe2b.google.com with SMTP id ada2fe7eead31-4704750edd7so212216137.0 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2024 13:14:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; t=1708377296; x=1708982096; darn=tuhs.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=A/SOiz7ostkTQgyn91x3ZjfCDnnYqRXgH6IY8+uSZD4=; b=kXoWYf3eagEZVbFmvo4FDZTnKoCPjkkfw/GKD4e6IHJiwKrybCFrOOBDl2dC0SUbE3 CNwuYDzyXQH6illg73B7uSIhhxPpz4t4v3GND4NDlaMbw2qM513ifsG7irOOLWBj56PW uow2n2YfN8ma1T1K2QqzUrvPxxhGZ0UfSm83I= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1708377296; x=1708982096; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=A/SOiz7ostkTQgyn91x3ZjfCDnnYqRXgH6IY8+uSZD4=; b=fBqjnO+z8+MDn7SHNZ3AFHmw3nDm3cfwHOGAU44Jz76Ye4TSmLdi1jCtnVU8teH8PS 282R06+KDxSsKDoAxNfWBys9+aMWIxHfTmhPr7pJDw2/dPmAEHq/rX3gmRBP9Na8d0vU iy7A/oB261F4TLW66aDbV6mkRCuWbO/e8rDvY4r1l3Vk4eJkjFuJ/kC/Xpi9ns63dMHc iNaIyMS0pdrZBvgA/S9TTciLGQ7jB07ULNlCgskIQwJAjPrz8MkG0K6lkSIca+OrLyq+ WdmaI7olmjcWDMpr2btZWHTQJNkSBgZBRQiLlLFtoJPxlllO6iV+tXWE4lBLwX6uHkRI i2SA== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCXwrIwxCi9rMZeGbbBfD55lZdzOXgqKngmv6ZPlPkpvST5/BSl3KTM/aDJ2PPD7dbcJ2VJPItbyQlHeq9L8 X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwpfhxnVw4Tg8pQT3P/TobzTLWvO7X7DMqR3lqBWQtavjPvxdsz 6XrZSXCkDSQzIBe14NJ0nWOIZCC7iYb7Sylfw0Yn2Ep0usBd1hwvQOVBOYkJA0Pl29CTbv/HRL/ pGkKw6cKln+jQwzgyPAxgA62B/3zHFdxaRi/H X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEdA9pVieT6xpJnA9KV2EFROpQ4a6YtXqzqOoNm4yj162j5HSF2c75auqoaM12kQInLAvfeGfG6t4y5xpa/UJ0= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6102:c05:b0:470:50df:2cc7 with SMTP id x5-20020a0561020c0500b0047050df2cc7mr4259826vss.20.1708377296169; Mon, 19 Feb 2024 13:14:56 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20240219195858.6ACEB431AE@minnie.tuhs.org> In-Reply-To: From: Clem Cole Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2024 16:14:20 -0500 Message-ID: To: Warner Losh Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000e18da70611c2953e" Message-ID-Hash: VX6GDYTCOL2XTKHT642V36PE4ASV3YQ3 X-Message-ID-Hash: VX6GDYTCOL2XTKHT642V36PE4ASV3YQ3 X-MailFrom: clemc@ccc.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: Warren Toomey , The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: The Web Service on Minnie is 30 Years Old Today List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000e18da70611c2953e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 4:02=E2=80=AFPM Warner Losh wrote: > > > On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 1:58=E2=80=AFPM Rich Salz w= rote: > >> I think this makes minnie one of the longest running web services >>> still in existence :-) >>> >> >> Congrats. In a ship of Theseus sense.:) >> > > *We all sail in the Unix ship of Theseus..*. Every system today had code > from Unix directly, or from another ship that was built of the builts of > one that was split between a couple of groups. Yes, even Linux: lots of > networking userland came from BSD, for example, and while lots have been > rewritten, that's kinda the point of the ship of Theseus... :) > +1 My observation is that Linux is just the current (and most successful) implementation of ideas that Doug, Ken, Rudd, Dennis, *et al.* started and others have contributed to over the years. And like the thought experiment described, there is no reason why the ship can not be changed. It still sails the same way to the same places. =E1=90=A7 --000000000000e18da70611c2953e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 4:02= =E2=80=AFPM Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.co= m> wrote:


On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 1:58=E2=80= =AFPM Rich Salz <rich.salz@gmail.com> wrote:
I think this makes mi= nnie one of the longest running web services
still in existence :-)

Congrats. In a ship of Theseus sense.:)

We all sail in the U= nix ship of Theseus... Every system today had code from Unix= directly, or from another ship that was built of the builts of one that wa= s split between a couple of groups. Yes, even Linux: lots of networking use= rland came from BSD, for example, and while lots have been rewritten, that&= #39;s kinda the point of the ship of Theseus... :)
+1
My observation is that Linux is just the current (= and most successful)=C2=A0implementation=C2=A0of ideas that Doug, Ken, Rudd= , Dennis, et al. started and others have contributed to over the yea= rs.=C2=A0 And like the thought experiment described, there is no=C2=A0reaso= n why the ship can not be changed.=C2=A0 It still sails=C2=A0the same way t= o the same places.


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