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Branden Robinson" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000007abdf606193c9d42" Message-ID-Hash: RCYZLGOPLQUWSNLPAO6DTC6IHRLZKZ2I X-Message-ID-Hash: RCYZLGOPLQUWSNLPAO6DTC6IHRLZKZ2I X-MailFrom: clemc@ccc.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: tuhs@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Was curses ported to Seventh Edition Unix? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --0000000000007abdf606193c9d42 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=E2=80=99m traveling this weekend so I=E2=80=99m doing this by memory. IS= TR The original curses was developed on Ing70 as part of Rogue and that It missed the 2BSD tape by about a year. See if you can find an early Rogue distribution and I think you=E2=80=99ll find it there. If not look in the early net news so= urce distributions. Sent from a handheld expect more typos than usual On Fri, May 24, 2024 at 8:04=E2=80=AFPM G. Branden Robinson < g.branden.robinson@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi folks, > > I'm finding it difficult to find any direct sources on the question in > the subject line. > > Does anyone here have any source material they can point me to > documenting the existence of a port of BSD curses to Unix Version 7? > > I know that curses made it into 2.9BSD for the PDP-11, but that's not > quite the same thing. > > There are comments in System V Release 2's curses.h file[1][2] (very > different from 4BSD's[3]) that suggest some effort to accommodate > Version 7's terminal driver. So I would _presume_ that curses got > ported to Version 7. But that's System V, right when it started > diverging from BSD curses, and moreover, presumption is not evidence. > > Even personal accounts/anecdotes would be helpful. Maybe some of you > _wrote_ curses applications for Version 7 machines. > > Regards, > Branden > > [1] System III apparently did not have curses at all. Both it and 4BSD > were released in 1980. System V Release 1 doesn't seem to, either. > [2] > https://github.com/ryanwoodsmall/oldsysv/blob/master/sysvr2-vax/include/c= urses.h > [3] > https://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=3D4BSD/usr/include/curses.h > --0000000000007abdf606193c9d42 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I=E2=80=99m traveling this weekend so I=E2=80=99m doing t= his by memory.=C2=A0 ISTR The original curses was developed on Ing70 as par= t of Rogue and that It missed the 2BSD tape by about a year.=C2=A0 See if y= ou can find an early Rogue distribution and I think you=E2=80=99ll find it = there.=C2=A0 If not look in the early net news source distributions. =C2=A0=

Sent from a handheld expect mor= e typos than usual


On Fri, May 24, 2024 at 8= :04=E2=80=AFPM G. Branden Robinson <g.branden.robinson@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi folks,

I'm finding it difficult to find any direct sources on the question in<= br> the subject line.

Does anyone here have any source material they can point me to
documenting the existence of a port of BSD curses to Unix Version 7?

I know that curses made it into 2.9BSD for the PDP-11, but that's not quite the same thing.

There are comments in System V Release 2's curses.h file[1][2] (very different from 4BSD's[3]) that suggest some effort to accommodate
Version 7's terminal driver.=C2=A0 So I would _presume_ that curses got=
ported to Version 7.=C2=A0 But that's System V, right when it started diverging from BSD curses, and moreover, presumption is not evidence.

Even personal accounts/anecdotes would be helpful.=C2=A0 Maybe some of you<= br> _wrote_ curses applications for Version 7 machines.

Regards,
Branden

[1] System III apparently did not have curses at all.=C2=A0 Both it and 4BS= D
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 were released in 1980.=C2=A0 System V Release 1 doesn't s= eem to, either.
[2] https://github.c= om/ryanwoodsmall/oldsysv/blob/master/sysvr2-vax/include/curses.h
[3] https://minnie.tuhs.org= /cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=3D4BSD/usr/include/curses.h
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