From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 1316 invoked from network); 10 May 2022 17:03:29 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 10 May 2022 17:03:29 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id ECAF293D39; Wed, 11 May 2022 03:03:28 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C801793D28; Wed, 11 May 2022 03:01:11 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b="nxqIPjkt"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 10C5B93D28; Wed, 11 May 2022 03:00:15 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qk1-f179.google.com (mail-qk1-f179.google.com [209.85.222.179]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BCB6393D1B for ; Wed, 11 May 2022 03:00:13 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qk1-f179.google.com with SMTP id a76so13633413qkg.12 for ; Tue, 10 May 2022 10:00:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=77k93ucEVlFO8CMr/WjNJWmrzN/cgEbOvD99RLEuFEQ=; b=nxqIPjktFOF7LxaBDKmzEylmKFhaj7t2UVAp6tuDNgJUO/oyRIMQo7Yx7g6EBmIWi3 MfzE2aIswzUJo5lFKNRK3TTonAp3plrudC8gzpx/WKHzFRMcdPEQzelxN8WTFMTdK9UP 4mCJphkzNYV0g9PF0Vb+euovxrR1mYKn7NkmE= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=77k93ucEVlFO8CMr/WjNJWmrzN/cgEbOvD99RLEuFEQ=; b=eGkJQEF4n6P7nPUSCPtJzoKwEt6lQQnhFNdLWzF7n/Uh5haoWHtSWj8yJbxQrxV99X q/blGeGhtukfwOM947JC0UxwqxJcZg8IMLirXbC9C0tYPTTnflNdlaqCE/Qdobe8xCQj 4MkbRDBywipZyjXm3PeH37WxmBclPyfqhND0l2onTfMyuWdKYxjFTijNvUUj3mHGQG/J TcgEfp3GWCOqn0q6miYrPgZN0qw7s/yFHxpee0ZDBYQqt4bDpfcJhd/4YdwqluWKMUgF 3CeBenzSwWNyGMbWVOltJr8cSkkjhFBgbyiHjU7cKKeUE1DNS1pFMeAXkTw9RI5LCmU1 vbEw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530wBWOptf/INedyQgOVgHGhd4HMH3iOsdwtMw4D5Ps94cWyrT5A 8bnvhEExfWkLxVXV8Xbf4TH9AYI6Ry/CLQWC1Npkhb5wgXmCpA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzvUw/ENUbF4Th2Uk/Hiqm2ab9XzzVc/D8DoSobcHrjbUofsgm14PhloMVgoAZEc5J58SxHUR+BVFH4TbyIHZE= X-Received: by 2002:a37:353:0:b0:69f:eb29:bcdf with SMTP id 80-20020a370353000000b0069feb29bcdfmr16253686qkd.748.1652202012690; Tue, 10 May 2022 10:00:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <57977CE7-DDCC-4861-BBD2-843B9B9F51C2@ronnatalie.com> <1505232b-86bd-0d65-52c7-c8d19bd0663c@mhorton.net> In-Reply-To: <1505232b-86bd-0d65-52c7-c8d19bd0663c@mhorton.net> From: Clem Cole Date: Tue, 10 May 2022 12:59:47 -0400 Message-ID: To: Mary Ann Horton Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000010628605deab4280" Subject: Re: [TUHS] First Unix-like OSes not derived from AT&T code? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --00000000000010628605deab4280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable PC/IX =E1=90=A7 On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 11:32 AM Mary Ann Horton wrote: > I recall having an IBM PC port of UNIX in the 1980s on floppy with a blac= k > 6x9 box and Charlie Chaplin with the red rose. I thought it was called AI= X. > I installed it, and recall it being very different from UNIX for sysadmin > (different logs, different admin commands) but similar for users. I thoug= ht > it was based on System III or thereabouts. > > I can't find any evidence of this. It appears AIX 1.0 wasn't for the > original PC. > > Does anyone else recall this distribution and what it was called or based > on? > > Thanks, > > Mary Ann > On 5/1/22 19:08, Kenneth Goodwin wrote: > > My understanding of AIX was that IBM licensed the System V source code an= d > then proceeded to "make it their own". I had a days experience with it on= a > POS cash register fixing a client issue. The shocker - they changed all t= he > error messages to error codes with a look at the manual requirement. > > Not sure if this is true in its entirety or not. > But that's what I recall, thst it was not a from scratch rewrite but more > along the lines of other vendor UNIX clones of the time. > License the source, change the name and then beat it to death. > > On Sun, May 1, 2022, 2:08 PM ron minnich wrote: > >> in terms of rewrites from manuals, while it was not the first, as I >> understand it, AIX was an example of "read the manual, write the >> code." >> >> Unlike Coherent, it had lots of cases of things not done quite right. >> One standout in my mind was mkdir -p, which would return an error if >> the full path existed. oops. >> >> But it was pointed out to me that Condor had all kinds of code to >> handle AIX being different from just about everything else. >> >> >> --00000000000010628605deab4280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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On Tue, May 10, 2= 022 at 11:32 AM Mary Ann Horton <mah@= mhorton.net> wrote:
=20 =20 =20

I recall having an IBM PC port of UNIX in the 1980s on floppy with a black 6x9 box and Charlie Chaplin with the red rose. I thought it was called AIX. I installed it, and recall it being very different from UNIX for sysadmin (different logs, different admin commands) but similar for users. I thought it was based on System III or thereabouts.

I can't find any evidence of this. It appears AIX 1.0 wasn't= for the original PC.

Does anyone else recall this distribution and what it was called or based on?

Thanks,

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Mary Ann

On 5/1/22 19:08, Kenneth Goodwin wrote:
=20
My understanding of AIX was that IBM licensed the System V source code and then proceeded to "make it their own&= quot;. I had a days experience with it on a POS cash register fixing a client issue. The shocker - they changed all the error messages to error codes with a look at the manual requirement.

Not sure if this is true in its entirety or not.<= /div>
But that's what I recall, thst it was not a f= rom scratch rewrite but more along the lines of other vendor UNIX clones of the time.=C2=A0
License the source, change the name and then beat it to death.

On Sun, May 1, 2022, 2:08 PM ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
in terms of rewrites from manuals, while it was not the first, as I
understand it, AIX was an example of "read the manual, write the
code."

Unlike Coherent, it had lots of cases of things not done quite right.
One standout in my mind was mkdir -p, which would return an error if
the full path existed. oops.

But it was pointed out to me that Condor had all kinds of code to
handle AIX being different from just about everything else.


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