From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 25141 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2022 20:28:10 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 3 Nov 2022 20:28:10 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F005941DC4; Fri, 4 Nov 2022 06:27:34 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-vs1-f47.google.com (mail-vs1-f47.google.com [209.85.217.47]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4C6B840614 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2022 06:27:31 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-vs1-f47.google.com with SMTP id t5so3009017vsh.8 for ; Thu, 03 Nov 2022 13:27:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=o3YQ7VCuARvIQFJNrHnmkanI5sEIoFHjE2RZ8hgrX8I=; b=hoYYxYp8fpdP+1Bf3b276cCblXEPSZhu6CDll5n4uq8OQayQt4tekwnU8ds2+1oOG9 i8SULxcY7xjLjx6J0JxFYpH3IXvXSU6RRJDCd0jqz6uqoiNAuQ1jcH3dnb1vzgt1+6OF 7eM0Y4V2ohH5kqCRx7goLkrPUTOlks3dQZapQ= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=o3YQ7VCuARvIQFJNrHnmkanI5sEIoFHjE2RZ8hgrX8I=; b=vkaGBKOYpG1JxSRrtC5194oNAvwgodh2Ssv2UAm2pSFh5CwAo6gTdImxDAcJ0XlQ+G Mw/Fzj74U0KgNdIzFRGaPSccHVDiRFpE+cRWm1ufNjIX2pFVH3BLyq3HqXf+U75/5qAe 201Ikt+2K1R57QWEwLY3okRlWijxZ6+j4rxuma/oK2gJ7QtvECG7/0P3sVLg98GtxTL2 Svusog7oVmjdQvvOM0MoZKI1dEPfCqlNmf+2cpknzVrsoapV4PWfkw4dGEE3SV9zSxqa /MndDwD5x244Zl800sm7N4R19bp5OzOR9OCivFUsZosdkHs1yzl/dzRhKq5ufQPYCbqp Tneg== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf1g6JA7tB+1pHI+Xr4mrAsg7HgmvGDT4Vw1TTe5Ky/hGjJnUUuf OovO+xqlYeJsxCeHURJ7chxUSVzY2oc4y4casNw5vQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM4w+NYJAqhWwHkHiazXhNRNdoD1Ag3r4YyKsIQwVYbTVXhOA0dTDFJ03C7qLAKEKAp88w2wuhk34ai+vIyR0mg= X-Received: by 2002:a67:e207:0:b0:3aa:14fb:44f1 with SMTP id g7-20020a67e207000000b003aa14fb44f1mr17859935vsa.54.1667507190238; Thu, 03 Nov 2022 13:26:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7b249e68-de74-2c81-32b0-18ecb74a85ec@aueb.gr> In-Reply-To: <7b249e68-de74-2c81-32b0-18ecb74a85ec@aueb.gr> From: Clem Cole Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2022 16:26:03 -0400 Message-ID: To: Diomidis Spinellis Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000bc280605ec96c571" Message-ID-Hash: PPPGHJGK7S3NLQJ2C76QKMPH3OJ2RVOK X-Message-ID-Hash: PPPGHJGK7S3NLQJ2C76QKMPH3OJ2RVOK X-MailFrom: clemc@ccc.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: TUHS main list X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: vi in cooked mode? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000bc280605ec96c571 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Nov 3, 2022 at 3:44 PM Diomidis Spinellis wrote: > Was I misled? Was there perhaps a hacked version of vi that worked in th= is > way? > I think you may be mixing a few stories ... and features ... v6 vs v7 PDP-11 vs Vax much less vi vs emacs. Some thoughts ... 1.) Emacs came from CMU and only a few years later after the Vax had was stable (post 4.1BSD) 2.) emacs was not so much prohibited as it was slow, it needed megabytes of memory -- that was limit. 3.) By the time emacs comes on the scene, workstations are showing up, so you did not have 20 students on a vax to UCB. 4.) Raw mode was a V6 feature for PDP-11, by the time of the Vax the TTY was using V7 using CBREAK (1/2 cooked) which still allows canonicalization =E1=90=A7 --000000000000bc280605ec96c571 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Thu, Nov 3, 2022 at 3:44 = PM Diomidis Spinellis <dds@aueb.gr>= ; wrote:
Was I m= isled?=C2=A0 Was there perhaps a hacked version of vi that worked in this way?
I think you may be mixing a few sto= ries ... and features ...

v6 vs v7 PDP-11 vs Vax much less vi vs emacs.=C2=A0
Some thoughts ...

1.) Ema= cs came from CMU and only a few years later after the Vax had was stable (p= ost 4.1BSD)
2.) emacs was not so much prohibited as it was slow, it= needed megabytes of memory -- that was limit.
3.) By the time emac= s comes on the scene, workstations are showing up, so you did not have 20 s= tudents on a vax to UCB.
4.) Raw mode was a V6 feature for PDP-11, = by the time of the Vax the TTY was using V7 using CBREAK (1/2 cooked) which= still allows canonicalization

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