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From: clemc@ccc.com (Clem Cole)
Subject: [TUHS] Gnu/Stallman (was Bugs in V6 'dcheck')
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 10:37:52 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAC20D2OLiArKCA9ARAAdGEcBM4wyiCYqewnZ9vGoFYN2_zZAkA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140602142446.GM18282@mercury.ccil.org>

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On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 10:24 AM, John Cowan <cowan at mercury.ccil.org> wrote:

> The original Mac 128K was a 68000 processor, and IIRC memory protection
> didn't arrive until the 68020.
>



​Sort of.  Did not arrive to >>Apple<< until the '020 based Mac-II.

Les Crudele (one the 68k's designers) tells a great story about this.   The
original device had a PDP-11 base/limit register MMU as an external chip
who's number I forget (and could not do demand paging by itself -- Masscomp
and Apollo would use 2 of them and build their own MMU).    According to
Les, Moto offered to give Apple the MMU chip at a substantial discount
(maybe even free) if they would use it for the Mac.  But Jobs famously said
it was a personal computer and did not need it (remember the Alto's did not
have an MMU either).

Later, Moto would release the '010  ​which could do demanding paging with
help of an external MMU.  The Stanford University Network Terminal (aka
"SUN" board) could use the '10.   I don't think Apple did themselves, but
my memory is that the was an after market '010 mod for some of the Macs.

At Masscomp, we retrofited the original CPU board to take a '010.   In this
mode, the 'fixer' 68K and the '010 could run in parallel during a page
fault, which was slightly faster.   But functionally, to the end user it
was the same as two 68K's.  I'm not sure if Apollo did a retrofit.

Clem
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-06-02 14:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-06-02  2:09 Doug McIlroy
2014-06-02  2:24 ` John Cowan
2014-06-02  2:59 ` Warner Losh
2014-06-02  3:17   ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2014-06-02  3:37     ` John Cowan
2014-06-02  4:08       ` scj
2014-06-02  5:03       ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2014-06-02 12:31         ` Ronald Natalie
2014-06-02  4:04     ` Nick Downing
2014-06-02  4:43       ` John Cowan
2014-06-02  6:23         ` arnold
2014-06-02 17:35           ` John Cowan
2014-06-02 18:44             ` Warner Losh
2014-06-02 18:52               ` John Cowan
2014-06-02  3:18   ` John Cowan
2014-06-02  6:08   ` Steve Nickolas
2014-06-02 12:04 ` Clem Cole
2014-06-02 12:27   ` Ronald Natalie
2014-06-02 13:28     ` Clem Cole
2014-06-02 14:11       ` Tim Bradshaw
2014-06-02 14:25         ` Clem Cole
2014-06-02 14:41           ` John Cowan
2014-06-02 14:50             ` Armando Stettner
2014-06-02 18:27               ` Brantley Coile
2014-06-02 18:52                 ` Dan Cross
2014-06-02 19:10                   ` arnold
2014-06-03  1:45                     ` Brantley Coile
2014-06-02 19:30                   ` John Cowan
2014-06-02 19:54                     ` Dan Cross
2014-06-02 23:37                       ` John Cowan
2014-06-03  1:24                         ` Dan Cross
2014-06-03  2:16                           ` John Cowan
2014-06-03  2:18                             ` Dan Cross
2014-06-02 19:47                   ` Chris Nehren
2014-06-02 20:23                     ` Dan Cross
2014-06-03 18:48                       ` [TUHS] Evolutionary Paths (was Gnu/Stallman (was Bugs in V6 'dcheck')) scj
2014-06-04  1:10                         ` Larry McVoy
2014-06-04  3:42                           ` Greg Chesson
2014-06-05  0:43                             ` Larry McVoy
2014-06-02 21:08                   ` [TUHS] Gnu/Stallman (was Bugs in V6 'dcheck') Charlie Kester
2014-06-03  0:37                   ` Tim Newsham
2014-06-02 20:06           ` Jacob Goense
2014-06-02 14:26         ` arnold
2014-06-02 14:30       ` John Cowan
2014-06-02 14:24     ` John Cowan
2014-06-02 14:29       ` Ronald Natalie
2014-06-02 14:37       ` Clem Cole [this message]
2014-06-05  7:31       ` Arno Griffioen
2014-06-05  8:24         ` emu
2014-06-05  9:17         ` Wesley Parish
2014-06-05 11:26           ` Brantley Coile
2014-06-05 13:34             ` Jesus Cea
2014-06-11 12:10           ` Michael Parson
2014-06-12  1:20             ` Wesley Parish
2014-06-05 15:07         ` Clem Cole
2014-06-05 18:26           ` Ronald Natalie

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