From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 21758 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2020 14:28:12 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 2 Nov 2020 14:28:12 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id E2BA29D57E; Tue, 3 Nov 2020 00:28:09 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 035B99D573; Tue, 3 Nov 2020 00:27:22 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b="V7ilPayf"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 7CC379D573; Tue, 3 Nov 2020 00:27:19 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qv1-f44.google.com (mail-qv1-f44.google.com [209.85.219.44]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8D91F9D572 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2020 00:27:18 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qv1-f44.google.com with SMTP id dj6so2183779qvb.3 for ; Mon, 02 Nov 2020 06:27:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Cs+IuJLtr9xe3ltlQf71+D3BzZBzerrApdVBpjeVZTc=; b=V7ilPayffDLRgkTzfW6CyXK5Pg039wwd0fOWNk1CUGZWEQ1n9agtqJuneG2a3Ypr7r ywLAyv7MFfxMZeZ+iNgrXmoKLPcn4mF4D+khmHPpt64iFYLaXwuvNNJzl7/i0vRvJA8+ ASLFtct6wSCVDpGr10tWxzYYA0JOBCovXa2v4= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Cs+IuJLtr9xe3ltlQf71+D3BzZBzerrApdVBpjeVZTc=; b=FBgy4HCl/M4t3Fux4TpfgJQMFRhQDFCBQq0kkhorRaBqyFRhj5hVONQhYeitUBs1AU p/XPMyhFv+EDk/fKMSbRqMtwS49mBdeoV/rAFc5NFiQLGCzftaARUAgV5a7vWHlhwC2X j8Y3q/ao2HRK/WVtwvu/Pe59ZkOHqphGZrrH7wO6VsJ6vwfyuLBj13s2Q3uzinzs1stZ JeAvyyppKpfA7t7C68HIqvVi5APmuyNZ9qPzCEAHIfrIP40UZL0ETlrM6cQlrkfMVVFh FyhIBCqqaRzsppZuZYBsoFEWykmVLfYjnrCYKYn70lk831G3SWa+s9+WkY0tgK+nNAlb rygw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530nDJ2t9S8VMkLY4q3evo2YPt6NYOu6I3o5ArqiaNFTs41gUVoO JkbQcul9TmXjBQO5MfptkiJvaWiSy8yVez/uAWQtww== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwFu6NPwa50A15P40laBSoaDV88teLNjxZQTniReZNbeSrktJuEeGRjyHVksZa+BuixNrmH/C8fPWg1j9F4OFg= X-Received: by 2002:a0c:fd4c:: with SMTP id j12mr22240629qvs.22.1604327237231; Mon, 02 Nov 2020 06:27:17 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20201102050717.GG72955@eureka.lemis.com> In-Reply-To: From: Clem Cole Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2020 09:26:51 -0500 Message-ID: To: Andrew Hume Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000143e5c05b3208bc2" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Lions notes, early history X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: UNIX Heritage Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000143e5c05b3208bc2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Andrew - can't speak for the original, but the BTL version was red and orange and was perfect bound. But, I was not on 11x17 - it must have been printed on A3 paper, as copying was always a little funny (maybe it was on traditional 'green bar' size 14 7/8 x 11 - I don't remember - but my copy of the original was on US 11x17). Ordering it originally was difficult. I remember that we tried to order a copy for Tektronix in the summer/fall of 1979 because I had my n-th generation xerographic copy that I had brought from CMU and Tek wanted to legitimate copy. IIRC, I wrote the PO request and it bounced back from Tek purchasing because it had been denied by somebody at AT&T. We had to call the right person (Al Arms if memory serves me), and then I had the restart on the Tek side, but we did eventually get an official version - which as on my desk for a few years [Of course, we immediately made more copies -- I think I made them for Steve Glaser, Mike Zuhl, Ward Cunningham and possibly Jon if he did not yet have a copy from his BTL days]. When I left Tek I gave the original Tektronix copy of the two books to Terry Laskodi. I have wondered what happened to that copy after he tragically died in the early 1980s. I fear it was tossed by someone that had no idea what its value was. Clem On Mon, Nov 2, 2020 at 2:44 AM Andrew Hume wrote: > i was a TA for the course which used this as a textbook. > my memory is little faded on this (it was on the other side of my stroke)= , > but i believe they were perfect bound (cloth strip and glue) and had > two different colors for the covers (i want to say orange and red). > they might have been just stapled but they were thick enough that staples > might have been insufficient. > > i certainly remember john printing them off on the DEC printer. > > as for the permissions, i can=E2=80=99t recall anything at the time (this= was > about 45 years ago), > but do remember the fuss at the Labs when Bell Labs started printing thei= r > own > high security copies just a couple of years later. > > andrew hume > > > On Nov 1, 2020, at 9:07 PM, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > > > > Warner Losh and I have been discussing the early history of John > > Lions' "A commentary on the Sixth Edition UNIX Operating System". > > I've been hosting Warren Toomey's version (with some correction of > > scan errors) at http://www.lemis.com/grog/Documentation/Lions/ for > > some years now, and my understanding had been that the book hadn't > > been published, just photocopied, until Warren posted it on > > alt.folklore.computers in 1994. But now it seems that the "book" had > > been published by UNSW when Lions held the course, and only later was > > the license revoked. Does anybody have any insights? What > > restrictions were there on its distribution? What was the format? > > Was it a real book, or just bound notes? > > > > Greg > > -- > > Sent from my desktop computer. > > Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key. > > See complete headers for address and phone numbers. > > This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft mail program > > reports problems, please read http://lemis.com/broken-MUA > > --000000000000143e5c05b3208bc2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Andrew - can't speak for the original, but the BTL = version was red and orange and was perfect bound.=C2=A0 But, I was not on 1= 1x17 - it must have been printed on A3 paper, as copying was always a littl= e funny (maybe it was on traditional 'green bar' size 14 7/8 x 11 -= I don't remember - but my copy of the original was on US 11x17).=C2=A0=

Ordering it originally was difficult.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I r= emember that we tried to order a copy for Tektronix in the summer/fall of 1= 979 because I had my n-th generation xerographic copy that=C2=A0I had broug= ht from CMU and Tek wanted to legitimate copy.=C2=A0 IIRC, I wrote the PO r= equest and it bounced back from Tek purchasing because it had been denied b= y somebody at AT&T.=C2=A0 We had to call the right person (Al Arms=C2= =A0if memory serves me), and then I had the restart on the Tek side, but we= did eventually get an official=C2=A0version - which as=C2=A0on my desk for= a few years [Of course, we immediately made more copies -- I think I made = them for Steve Glaser, Mike Zuhl, Ward Cunningham and possibly=C2=A0Jon if = he did not yet have a copy from his BTL days].

When I = left Tek I gave the original Tektronix copy of the two books to Terry Lasko= di.=C2=A0 I have wondered what happened=C2=A0to that copy after he tragical= ly died in the early=C2=A01980s.=C2=A0 I fear it was tossed by someone that= had no idea what its value was.

Clem

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On Mon, Nov= 2, 2020 at 2:44 AM Andrew Hume <a= ndrew@humeweb.com> wrote:
i was a TA for the course which used this as a textbook. my memory is little faded on this (it was on the other side of my stroke),<= br> but i believe they were perfect bound (cloth strip and glue) and had
two different colors for the covers (i want to say orange and red).
they might have been just stapled but they were thick enough that staples might have been insufficient.

i certainly remember john printing them off on the DEC printer.

as for the permissions, i can=E2=80=99t recall anything at the time (this w= as about 45 years ago),
but do remember the fuss at the Labs when Bell Labs started printing their = own
high security copies just a couple of years later.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 andrew hume

> On Nov 1, 2020, at 9:07 PM, Greg 'groggy' Lehey <grog@lemis.com> wrote:
>
> Warner Losh and I have been discussing the early history of John
> Lions' "A commentary on the Sixth Edition UNIX Operating Syst= em".
> I've been hosting Warren Toomey's version (with some correctio= n of
> scan errors) at http://www.lemis.com/grog/Documen= tation/Lions/ for
> some years now, and my understanding had been that the book hadn't=
> been published, just photocopied, until Warren posted it on
> alt.folklore.computers in 1994.=C2=A0 But now it seems that the "= book" had
> been published by UNSW when Lions held the course, and only later was<= br> > the license revoked.=C2=A0 Does anybody have any insights?=C2=A0 What<= br> > restrictions were there on its distribution?=C2=A0 What was the format= ?
> Was it a real book, or just bound notes?
>
> Greg
> --
> Sent from my desktop computer.
> Finger grog@lemis.= com for PGP public key.
> See complete headers for address and phone numbers.
> This message is digitally signed.=C2=A0 If your Microsoft mail program=
> reports problems, please read http://lemis.com/broken-MUA

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