From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [50.116.15.146]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCB0926C06 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2024 02:44:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2907D43268; Thu, 27 Jun 2024 10:44:33 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-vk1-xa32.google.com (mail-vk1-xa32.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::a32]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5CA6543260 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2024 10:44:25 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-vk1-xa32.google.com with SMTP id 71dfb90a1353d-4e1c721c040so2430560e0c.3 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2024 17:44:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; t=1719449064; x=1720053864; darn=tuhs.org; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=drR/lbaKbSzU2JsPvxB0IZ6ehwQb41MvI7qvZE/ZYls=; b=didB0wWzoueAGZbbKxDSBFymjc2UJMXlSWFbUFRway3Kd3sLqJxh/ryClIWlmWsn1U gden43QagUR9euch8vEbrAY75PVjnBNRJxEwYoC98krqWQWT9nqn9BLrDqPgumMOIxdy d3yo4eI2t+FU4rcPZ3BV1SQN1YuQX+Di0lfKo= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1719449064; x=1720053864; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=drR/lbaKbSzU2JsPvxB0IZ6ehwQb41MvI7qvZE/ZYls=; b=M4uZrRCQQT0TE6+Ay6rwav9ryje3bNEgNTIOe6ZSdvqWlQt0PR690H/TKJRXx2hUCg pOOjtgtDUCnRnGZFQDhzk+5oibxrenyMMmLLL9O8k4ATaVzUSTrTVdBBXnnIrOy4y+nv Po4zjPnp7N0F75DIBOjFU6mdowGrV+aJ94w8iDnkkbcppbLz9YARDSXUMkbfSC3qLTkI dcYL1YSZnC4fL5JjxDesheKQrwRJVkrGzZqXwLQFz++azW8Z86r4OtDGTuaX/Lyk5GVf IH76uuEclr0kPiWEvgyMs0e4CR5z7TBZpECgEqkU6ZkrA1kHJARaXsu6fU8DihCxSP9o lfbw== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCUh372Q97OChHG8iCSccXvLhE9YkKIe89ptIfHw5QEYa4YcKR3ThksGTOVDOLJA3bZP6eyBbGJubQOv/OSJ X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yw8Yq9QZJ9qh5folT4hHP7+tznfPLDshacMtMc7Ay7NYg4HME8+ Myn5MGNupBHHSvtSWWCXpCbKyBnB7KlnWH+D7KVMTVcgZxd6ifbmLBVJuu770YtmSjzrQCtf8HR +7S1+LuIcxhWsf5R7cW503we9GXNRd4YCmrx0 X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGZwKMWMAyakSDPsDn/Xo7p5B9yKC2dxXcb4TyjmQIv/ni3RiZJwVXrpKp2efaqEi9yD6E2J8tcKKA/SxADhcA= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6122:1799:b0:4dc:d7b4:5f7d with SMTP id 71dfb90a1353d-4ef6d8295dbmr10556912e0c.8.1719449063949; Wed, 26 Jun 2024 17:44:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20240626215309.XWtuefzk@steffen%sdaoden.eu> In-Reply-To: <20240626215309.XWtuefzk@steffen%sdaoden.eu> From: Clem Cole Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2024 20:44:12 -0400 Message-ID: To: Alan Coopersmith , Marc Rochkind , Warner Losh , tuhs@tuhs.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000aab110061bd46e2a" Message-ID-Hash: TYPSWUZC67SL2EBB5PH4LOOD6XA6BMXR X-Message-ID-Hash: TYPSWUZC67SL2EBB5PH4LOOD6XA6BMXR X-MailFrom: clemc@ccc.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: ANSI (C) vs IEEE (POSIX) Standards Body Selection List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000aab110061bd46e2a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable rms had nothing to do with the name posix. I have no idea where that comment came from. The p1003 committee for Ieee was the portable operating system standard and at the time adding ix was the norm. POSIX became the term we all used to refer to the work we doing. Rms was not involved in any way Clem Sent from a handheld expect more typos than usual On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 5:53=E2=80=AFPM Steffen Nurpmeso wrote: > Warner Losh wrote in > : > |I'll add that POSIX, as we know it today (and really since at least 200= 0) > |is a collaboration between The Open Group, IEEE Std 1003.1-XXXX and > ISO/IEC > |9945:YYYY (collectively known as the Austin Group, though why "Austin" = I > |cannot say). > | > |So these days, it's standardized by "both" IEEE and ANSI (in the form o= f > |ISO, of which ANSI is effectively a member). > > The explanation is part of the standard > > 1 > The Austin Group is named after the location of the inaugural > meeting held at the IBM facility in Austin, Texas in September > 1998. > 2 > The name POSIX was suggested by Richard Stallman. It is expected > to be pronounced with the first two syllables as in positive, > not poh-six, or other variations. The pronunciation has been > published in an attempt to promulgate a standardized way of > referring to a standard operating system interface. > > --steffen > | > |Der Kragenbaer, The moon bear, > |der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one > |einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off > |(By Robert Gernhardt) > --000000000000aab110061bd46e2a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
rms had nothing to do with the name posix.=C2=A0 I have n= o idea where that comment came from. =C2=A0
The p100= 3 committee for Ieee was the portable operating system standard and at the = time adding ix was the norm.=C2=A0 POSIX became the term we all used to ref= er to the work we doing.=C2=A0 Rms was not involved in any way

Clem

Sent from a handheld expect more typos than usual<= /div>


On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 5:53=E2=80=AFPM Stef= fen Nurpmeso <steffen@sdaoden.eu> wrote:
Warner Losh wrote in<= br> =C2=A0<CANCZdfpSPE0yhgyFch4JDUC1JW17V4pz7= cZ2aGpDk+chsY93ig@mail.gmail.com>:
=C2=A0|I'll add that POSIX, as we know it today (and really since at le= ast 2000)
=C2=A0|is a collaboration between The Open Group, IEEE Std 1003.1-XXXX and = ISO/IEC
=C2=A0|9945:YYYY (collectively known as the Austin Group, though why "= Austin" I
=C2=A0|cannot say).
=C2=A0|
=C2=A0|So these days, it's standardized by "both" IEEE and AN= SI (in the form of
=C2=A0|ISO, of which ANSI is effectively a member).

The explanation is part of the standard

1
=C2=A0 The Austin Group is named after the location of the inaugural
=C2=A0 meeting held at the IBM facility in Austin, Texas in September
=C2=A0 1998.
2
=C2=A0 The name POSIX was suggested by Richard Stallman. It is expected
=C2=A0 to be pronounced with the first two syllables as in positive,
=C2=A0 not poh-six, or other variations. The pronunciation has been
=C2=A0 published in an attempt to promulgate a standardized way of
=C2=A0 referring to a standard operating system interface.

--steffen
|
|Der Kragenbaer,=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 The= moon bear,
|der holt sich munter=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0he cheerfully= and one by one
|einen nach dem anderen runter=C2=A0 wa.ks himself off
|(By Robert Gernhardt)
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