Yes - I send a fairly detailed history, including pics but Warren's mailer did not allow them. Here is the short form: ber did two printings of 4.1 [white/without and later, with BTL covers], the second printing had the Marx supplement. ber helped to facilitate the 4.2 printing with the BSD daemons - although USENIX bankrolled it and did the distribution. I do not know for sure who the editor for the 4.3 [colored combs + BSD daemons] was [I think Keith, with help from Mike and Sam], but USENIX and CSRG did that printing. and the distribution. By the time of 4.4, USENIX approached Tim OReilly who used his own printing, and binding set up - hence "perfect binding" not combs. Clem On Mon, Oct 16, 2023 at 2:42 PM Mary Ann Horton wrote: > My vol 2C is comb bound with the Bell logo on the front and back cover. > > It matches what Matt describes below: Date November 1980, hand-written > part 55 (Curses) on TOC, Curses included. > > I personally wrote "4.1 BSD Vol 2C" on the spine of my comb version, and > "4.1 BSD Vol 1" on the spine of the other comb bound, which were clearly a > set. (We were expected to use the V7 vol 2a and 2b, as they were not > changed.) Vol 1's title page is dated June, 1981". The preface of Vol 1 > adds 3 paragraphs beginning "This update to the fourth distribution of > November, 1980 provides support for the VAX 11/750 and for the full > interconnect architecture of the VAX 11/780. ..." This paragraph is not > dated but would seem to be from June 1981. > > I don't recall who ran the set of manuals in Bell Labs, but it wasn't done > at Columbus. Someone was kind enough to send me a set. > > I'm inclined to believe Matt is right about vol 2C not being updated > except by pencil and the Curses section. > > Interestingly, I also have a "UNIX 3.0 Vol 1" comb bound manual with the > same style of cover, same personal spine label, probably done at the same > time, likely by the same group. I don't recall who but I'll speculate it > was someone at MH or WH. Possibly Brian Redman? > Thanks, > > *Mary Ann Horton* (she/her/ma'am) > maryannhorton.com > > “This is a great book about an amazing journey of a woman > who went through hell to become the person she is today.” > * - Monica Helms, creator of the transgender flag* > > "Brave and Important - Don’t miss this wonderful book!" > * - Laura L. Engel, Intl. Memoir Writers Assn.* > > Available on Amazon and bn.com. Audiobook on Google Play. > > > > On 10/14/23 22:49, segaloco wrote: > > One thing worth noting, I think, not sure, but I think the contents > suggest the 4BSD rather than 4.1BSD set, I can't tell for certain because I > actually can't locate a 4.1BSD doc folder with the Volume 2C intro and TOC. > The physical article (as well as a Acco binder copy I also have) both > indicate November 1980 (as opposed to 4.1BSDs June 1981.) Curiously, the > comb bound one has one extra entry in the TOC written in by hand: the > curses paper. Indeed it is the last in the comb bound manual and not > present in my Acco-bound copy. > > Not conclusive of anything but just an observation, I can't track down an > authoritatively-sourced copy of the doc/vmunix folder where the original of > the TOC lives in 4BSD. The 4BSD typesetter sources of the TOC match what is > in both copies I have, minus the hand-written curses inclusion. > > It very well could be the Volume 2C version of the TOC stopped being > maintained around this time as I likewise don't see the doc/vmunix folder > in 4.1c or 4.2. Either way, just something I found odd, I can't 100% > confirm parity with what would be in /usr/doc on a standard 4.1BSD distro, > I'll have to go digging and see what I have though, I feel like I archived > away some 4.1BSD stuff I found somewhere that had some delta with what is > in the UNIX tree. Not going to draw any firm conclusions until I put eyes > on doc sources though. That said, it wouldn't surprise me if the manual > amounts to more of a "4.0b", being the 4BSD set with some incremental > changes towards 4.1. But again, nothing to back that up, just my initial > impression. > > - Matt G. > ------- Original Message ------- > On Saturday, October 14th, 2023 at 8:19 PM, Mary Ann Horton > wrote: > > I checked my bookshelf - my 4.1BSD manuals are the same Bell Labs printing > as the two Worthpoint links below. AFAIK they are a vanilla printing of the > soft copy from the 4.1 BSD tape. > > If there is any value to documenting this further, please let me know. > Thanks, > > *Mary Ann Horton* (she/her/ma'am) > maryannhorton.com > > “This is a great book about an amazing journey of a woman > who went through hell to become the person she is today.” > * - Monica Helms, creator of the transgender flag* > > "Brave and Important - Don’t miss this wonderful book!" > * - Laura L. Engel, Intl. Memoir Writers Assn.* > > Available on Amazon and bn.com. Audiobook on Google Play. > > > > On 10/9/23 19:11, Jonathan Gray wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 09, 2023 at 04:17:36PM +0000, segaloco via TUHS wrote: > > Spotted this and ordered it on eBay https://www.ebay.com/itm/235246689392 > > After the link is a pretty nondescript comb-bound 4.1BSD User's > Manual Volume 2C. I don't think I've seen comb-bound issues prior > to the USENIX 4.2BSD set that introduced the Beastie cover. Does > anyone know if there was a limited run produced by the Berkeley > folks themselves or if this is more likely a one-off someone printed > for themselves? Either way, this is an exciting find for the > completeness of my library, this would leave 3BSD as the only VAX > BSD version I don't have any Volume 2C papers in my bookshelf from. > If this does prove to be issue from Berkeley or someone directly > adjacent to them, the next thing I hope to figure out is if this > has Volume 1 and Volume 2A/2B companions. I find myself curious > because the 4BSD Volume 2C I have was following a plain Jane Version > 7 Volume 2A/2B rather than also 4BSD 2A/2B, so whoever curated that > set either got them that way or clobbered V7 and 4BSD docs together > themselves. > > Brian Ehrmantraut's photo has two 4.1BSD volumes:https://www.facebook.com/groups/internetoldfarts/posts/722465582733996/ > Link from when the Wollongong Group version of the commentary was > mentioned here. > > There was a Bell Laboratories printing of the 4.1BSD manuals.https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1981-bell-laboratories-unix-users-1947580163https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1980-bell-laboratories-unix-1947578308 > > A list of documents included with the distribution can be found in > doc/vmunix/cover*. Below text from 4.1a.tar.gz included in the CSRG > Archives. > > July 8, 1981 > > > This is a full distribution kit for the second release of > the Fourth Berkeley software tape, known as 4.1bsd. The > package you received should have contained: > > 1) Either a 2400' 1600 bpi magnetic tape or two RK07 disk > cartridges containing the basic system software; this > is the bootstrap distribution media. A second 2400' > 1600 bpi tape or a third RK07 disk cartridge contains > additional material beyond the basic system on the > first tape (INGRES, source for documents in the > manuals, bit mapped fonts, etc.) > > 2) Documents titled ``Installing and operating 4.1bsd'', > ``Bug fixes and changes in 4.1bsd'', ``Changes to the > kernel in 4.1bsd'', and ``Hints on configuring VAX > systems for UNIX'' > > 3) A two sided copy of volume 1 of the programmer's > manual. > > 4) A single sided, reproduction-quality copy of Volume 1 > of the programmer's manual for the system. > > 5) A copy of a document describing fsck. > > 6) A two sided copy of volumes 2a and 2b of the > programmer's manual. > > 7) A single sided, reproduction-quality, copy of Volume 2c > of the programmer's manual for the system. > > 8) 2 Vi Reference Cards and a master for reproducing > cards. > > 9) Three documents describing the Berkeley Network. > > 10) Two documents on the internals of the Pascal system. > manual and a new table of contents for volume 2c. > > > ᐧ