From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 5658 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2023 19:50:04 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (2600:3c01:e000:146::1) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 16 Oct 2023 19:50:04 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7454F42929; Tue, 17 Oct 2023 05:49:57 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-vs1-xe2c.google.com (mail-vs1-xe2c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e2c]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 597B34291C for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2023 05:49:49 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-vs1-xe2c.google.com with SMTP id ada2fe7eead31-457c134a702so1445511137.1 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2023 12:49:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; t=1697485788; x=1698090588; darn=tuhs.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=EVnT5krfLvdv47Nfi80m/FbEs7QEtzpdbVkHozClPUY=; b=kjinEGjFls8uESGDFftMEXXtW6tv2MZkCUAnxxw/2NtB3/v5IquIq/lkfQCp+17OkY Loru+aEsblpXXivP0wz8lp0ECKI+ZfByONIs2RAxCfmD595Ix9CJ1HuGws1MjGd98GQ9 p0PMFk1L/SxN4gBkwRhH42cIu3ZCjViaQ1rRU= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1697485788; x=1698090588; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=EVnT5krfLvdv47Nfi80m/FbEs7QEtzpdbVkHozClPUY=; b=WxbBcrHORu3GhneLkcQqu2uQ+wSzUGBarEOjnNou7UtHtGWbR7XgEh6md9vG6q5vfm CfKRr0OmaCtVGwVrtMHnYrFOmLK1q6bvDbmhfyV5Gd6NkYKmcD+Uggd4Q8wcrrZKnGbn 2qlOYwOvhZEedD6kEECyjZ1GgPUj4WjlSLthkQua1jYwTatVnKJGoOunMb5jHfbPkKfr 1OIYQqrZsVSx1MABTX6t6Y1W6cpBKSywzovExUrJA1ECEBEWvDMCvMJ7EFgQQe9CPVRO QwgY25We+XAxOt4+tQeQesdCrq6X9v7I1TraZxZmXrVpM/XbLYH7kccrVbsmudo3zx4a 8i+A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Ywx4TI+RTOsYvJ0cOplC9NKx/BBGp7quUQJFwAnlK3VkDs7AToC aJasPLV4OffhP+8cOyzXMez+1yAGHq97hOA34/ryzg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEiPVr3WI27ka4cHhVX4211O1K/Cwvt2eQqVs2n1qnFTxIOQMBsRCdV3ifGbSKuneULeEkmsHQKjkMzITL4wSQ= X-Received: by 2002:a67:ab0c:0:b0:452:7c1b:d57c with SMTP id u12-20020a67ab0c000000b004527c1bd57cmr329980vse.28.1697485787859; Mon, 16 Oct 2023 12:49:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <6c5c6aab-19b6-464b-b171-51ceffe28750@mhorton.net> <6G3JATXF2TQyIW619ZP7z6IUk0v5BDa4IyCz0tv0bn4ouLRPkLIrdDNqEuc1qxgOtyndQ-6uehYHgVg4E2sTFXFqywipjIBglws3yKuH0QE=@protonmail.com> In-Reply-To: From: Clem Cole Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2023 15:49:11 -0400 Message-ID: To: Mary Ann Horton Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000065a7c80607dab585" Message-ID-Hash: IPCQTXYOYFSDPTSEC5VEENOCUHBSVCVR X-Message-ID-Hash: IPCQTXYOYFSDPTSEC5VEENOCUHBSVCVR X-MailFrom: clemc@ccc.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: segaloco , tuhs@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Found: 4.1BSD User's Manual Volume 2C Comb-Bound List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --00000000000065a7c80607dab585 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes - I send a fairly detailed history, including pics but Warren's mailer did not allow them. Here is the short form: ber did two printings of 4.1 [white/without and later, with BTL covers], the second printing had the Marx supplement. ber helped to facilitate the 4.2 printing with the BSD daemons - although USENIX bankrolled it and did the distribution. I do not know for sure who the editor for the 4.3 [colored combs + BSD daemons] was [I think Keith, with help from Mike and Sam], but USENIX and CSRG did that printing. and the distribution. By the time of 4.4, USENIX approached Tim OReilly who used his own printing, and binding set up - hence "perfect binding" not combs. Clem On Mon, Oct 16, 2023 at 2:42=E2=80=AFPM Mary Ann Horton w= rote: > My vol 2C is comb bound with the Bell logo on the front and back cover. > > It matches what Matt describes below: Date November 1980, hand-written > part 55 (Curses) on TOC, Curses included. > > I personally wrote "4.1 BSD Vol 2C" on the spine of my comb version, and > "4.1 BSD Vol 1" on the spine of the other comb bound, which were clearly = a > set. (We were expected to use the V7 vol 2a and 2b, as they were not > changed.) Vol 1's title page is dated June, 1981". The preface of Vol 1 > adds 3 paragraphs beginning "This update to the fourth distribution of > November, 1980 provides support for the VAX 11/750 and for the full > interconnect architecture of the VAX 11/780. ..." This paragraph is not > dated but would seem to be from June 1981. > > I don't recall who ran the set of manuals in Bell Labs, but it wasn't don= e > at Columbus. Someone was kind enough to send me a set. > > I'm inclined to believe Matt is right about vol 2C not being updated > except by pencil and the Curses section. > > Interestingly, I also have a "UNIX 3.0 Vol 1" comb bound manual with the > same style of cover, same personal spine label, probably done at the same > time, likely by the same group. I don't recall who but I'll speculate it > was someone at MH or WH. Possibly Brian Redman? > Thanks, > > *Mary Ann Horton* (she/her/ma'am) > maryannhorton.com > > =E2=80=9CThis is a great book about an amazing journey of a woman > who went through hell to become the person she is today.=E2=80=9D > * - Monica Helms, creator of the transgender flag* > > "Brave and Important - Don=E2=80=99t miss this wonderful book!" > * - Laura L. Engel, Intl. Memoir Writers Assn.* > > Available on Amazon and bn.com. Audiobook on Google Play. > > > > On 10/14/23 22:49, segaloco wrote: > > One thing worth noting, I think, not sure, but I think the contents > suggest the 4BSD rather than 4.1BSD set, I can't tell for certain because= I > actually can't locate a 4.1BSD doc folder with the Volume 2C intro and TO= C. > The physical article (as well as a Acco binder copy I also have) both > indicate November 1980 (as opposed to 4.1BSDs June 1981.) Curiously, the > comb bound one has one extra entry in the TOC written in by hand: the > curses paper. Indeed it is the last in the comb bound manual and not > present in my Acco-bound copy. > > Not conclusive of anything but just an observation, I can't track down an > authoritatively-sourced copy of the doc/vmunix folder where the original = of > the TOC lives in 4BSD. The 4BSD typesetter sources of the TOC match what = is > in both copies I have, minus the hand-written curses inclusion. > > It very well could be the Volume 2C version of the TOC stopped being > maintained around this time as I likewise don't see the doc/vmunix folder > in 4.1c or 4.2. Either way, just something I found odd, I can't 100% > confirm parity with what would be in /usr/doc on a standard 4.1BSD distro= , > I'll have to go digging and see what I have though, I feel like I archive= d > away some 4.1BSD stuff I found somewhere that had some delta with what is > in the UNIX tree. Not going to draw any firm conclusions until I put eyes > on doc sources though. That said, it wouldn't surprise me if the manual > amounts to more of a "4.0b", being the 4BSD set with some incremental > changes towards 4.1. But again, nothing to back that up, just my initial > impression. > > - Matt G. > ------- Original Message ------- > On Saturday, October 14th, 2023 at 8:19 PM, Mary Ann Horton > wrote: > > I checked my bookshelf - my 4.1BSD manuals are the same Bell Labs printin= g > as the two Worthpoint links below. AFAIK they are a vanilla printing of t= he > soft copy from the 4.1 BSD tape. > > If there is any value to documenting this further, please let me know. > Thanks, > > *Mary Ann Horton* (she/her/ma'am) > maryannhorton.com > > =E2=80=9CThis is a great book about an amazing journey of a woman > who went through hell to become the person she is today.=E2=80=9D > * - Monica Helms, creator of the transgender flag* > > "Brave and Important - Don=E2=80=99t miss this wonderful book!" > * - Laura L. Engel, Intl. Memoir Writers Assn.* > > Available on Amazon and bn.com. Audiobook on Google Play. > > > > On 10/9/23 19:11, Jonathan Gray wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 09, 2023 at 04:17:36PM +0000, segaloco via TUHS wrote: > > Spotted this and ordered it on eBay https://www.ebay.com/itm/235246689392 > > After the link is a pretty nondescript comb-bound 4.1BSD User's > Manual Volume 2C. I don't think I've seen comb-bound issues prior > to the USENIX 4.2BSD set that introduced the Beastie cover. Does > anyone know if there was a limited run produced by the Berkeley > folks themselves or if this is more likely a one-off someone printed > for themselves? Either way, this is an exciting find for the > completeness of my library, this would leave 3BSD as the only VAX > BSD version I don't have any Volume 2C papers in my bookshelf from. > If this does prove to be issue from Berkeley or someone directly > adjacent to them, the next thing I hope to figure out is if this > has Volume 1 and Volume 2A/2B companions. I find myself curious > because the 4BSD Volume 2C I have was following a plain Jane Version > 7 Volume 2A/2B rather than also 4BSD 2A/2B, so whoever curated that > set either got them that way or clobbered V7 and 4BSD docs together > themselves. > > Brian Ehrmantraut's photo has two 4.1BSD volumes:https://www.facebook.com= /groups/internetoldfarts/posts/722465582733996/ > Link from when the Wollongong Group version of the commentary was > mentioned here. > > There was a Bell Laboratories printing of the 4.1BSD manuals.https://www.= worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1981-bell-laboratories-unix-users-1947580163http= s://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1980-bell-laboratories-unix-1947578308 > > A list of documents included with the distribution can be found in > doc/vmunix/cover*. Below text from 4.1a.tar.gz included in the CSRG > Archives. > > July 8, 1981 > > > This is a full distribution kit for the second release of > the Fourth Berkeley software tape, known as 4.1bsd. The > package you received should have contained: > > 1) Either a 2400' 1600 bpi magnetic tape or two RK07 disk > cartridges containing the basic system software; this > is the bootstrap distribution media. A second 2400' > 1600 bpi tape or a third RK07 disk cartridge contains > additional material beyond the basic system on the > first tape (INGRES, source for documents in the > manuals, bit mapped fonts, etc.) > > 2) Documents titled ``Installing and operating 4.1bsd'', > ``Bug fixes and changes in 4.1bsd'', ``Changes to the > kernel in 4.1bsd'', and ``Hints on configuring VAX > systems for UNIX'' > > 3) A two sided copy of volume 1 of the programmer's > manual. > > 4) A single sided, reproduction-quality copy of Volume 1 > of the programmer's manual for the system. > > 5) A copy of a document describing fsck. > > 6) A two sided copy of volumes 2a and 2b of the > programmer's manual. > > 7) A single sided, reproduction-quality, copy of Volume 2c > of the programmer's manual for the system. > > 8) 2 Vi Reference Cards and a master for reproducing > cards. > > 9) Three documents describing the Berkeley Network. > > 10) Two documents on the internals of the Pascal system. > manual and a new table of contents for volume 2c. > > > =E1=90=A7 --00000000000065a7c80607dab585 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes - I send a fairly detailed history= , including pics but Warren's mailer did not allow them.

Here is the=C2=A0short form:

ber did two printi= ngs of 4.1 [white/without and later, with BTL covers], the second printing = had the Marx supplement.
ber helped to facilitate the 4.2 printing = with the BSD daemons - although USENIX bankrolled it and did the distributi= on.
I do not know for sure who the editor for the 4.3 [colored comb= s=C2=A0+ BSD daemons] was [I think Keith, with help from Mike and Sam], but= USENIX and CSRG did that printing. and the distribution.
By the = time of 4.4, USENIX approached Tim OReilly who used his own printing, and b= inding set up - hence "perfect binding" not combs.

Clem

On Mon, Oct 16, 2023 at 2:42=E2=80=AFPM Mary Ann Horton &l= t;mah@mhorton.net> wrote:
=20 =20 =20

My vol 2C is comb bound with the Bell logo on the front and back cover.

It matches what Matt describes below: Date November 1980, hand-written part 55 (Curses) on TOC, Curses included.

I personally wrote "4.1 BSD Vol 2C" on the spine of my com= b version, and "4.1 BSD Vol 1" on the spine of the other comb= bound, which were clearly a set. (We were expected to use the V7 vol 2a and 2b, as they were not changed.) Vol 1's title page is dated June, 1981". The preface of Vol 1 adds 3 paragraphs beginning "This update to the fourth distribution of November, 1980 provid= es support for the VAX 11/750 and for the full interconnect architecture of the VAX 11/780. ..." This paragraph is not dated but would seem to be from June 1981.

I don't recall who ran the set of manuals in Bell Labs, but it wasn't done at Columbus. Someone was kind enough to send me a set= .

I'm inclined to believe Matt is right about vol 2C not being updated except by pencil and the Curses section.

Interestingly, I also have a "UNIX 3.0 Vol 1" comb bound m= anual with the same style of cover, same personal spine label, probably done at the same time, likely by the same group. I don't recall who but I'll speculate it was someone at MH or WH. Possibly Brian Redman?

Thanks,

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Mary Ann Horton (she/he= r/ma'am)
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 maryannhorton.com

=E2=80=9CThis is a great book about an amazing journey of a woman
who went through hell to become the person she is today.=E2=80=9D
=C2=A0- Monica Helms, creator of the transgender flag

"Brave and Important - Don=E2=80=99t miss this wonderf= ul book!"
=C2=A0- Laura L. Engel, Intl. Memoir Writers Assn.

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Available on Amazon and bn.com. Audiobook on Google Play.



On 10/14/23 22:49, segaloco wrote:
=20
One thing worth noting, I think, not sure, but I think the contents suggest the 4BSD rather than 4.1BSD set, I can't tell for certain because I actually can't locate a 4.1BSD doc folder with the Volume 2C intro and TOC. The physical article (as well as a Acco binder copy I also have) both indicate November 1980 (as opposed to 4.1BSDs June 1981.) Curiously, the comb bound one has one extra entry in the TOC written in by hand: the curses paper. Indeed it is the last in the comb bound manual and not present in my Acco-bound copy.

Not conclusive of anything but just an observation, I can't track down an authoritatively-sourced copy of the doc/vmunix folder where the original of the TOC lives in 4BSD. The 4BSD typesetter sources of the TOC match what is in both copies I have, minus the hand-written curses inclusion.

It very well could be the Volume 2C version of the TOC stopped being maintained around this time as I likewise don't see the doc/vmunix folder in 4.1c or 4.2. Either way, just something I found odd, I can't 100% confirm parity with what would be in /usr/doc on a standard 4.1BSD distro, I'll have to go digging and see what I have though, I feel like I archived away some 4.1BSD stuff I found somewhere that had some delta with what is in the UNIX tree. Not going to draw any firm conclusions until I put eyes on doc sources though. That said, it wouldn't surprise me if the manual amounts to more of a "4.0b", being the 4= BSD set with some incremental changes towards 4.1. But again, nothing to back that up, just my initial impression.

- Matt G.
------- Original Message -------
On Saturday, October 14th, 2023 at 8:19 PM, Mary Ann Horton <mah@mhorto= n.net> wrote:

I checked my bookshelf - my 4.1BSD manuals are the same Bell Labs printing as the two Worthpoint links below. AFAIK they are a vanilla printing of the soft copy from the 4.1 BSD tape.

If there is any value to documenting this further, please let me know.

Thanks,

Mary Ann Horton (she/her/ma'am)
maryannhorton.com

=E2=80=9CThis is a great book about an amazing jour= ney of a woman
who went through hell to become the person she is today.=E2=80=9D
- Monica Helms, creator of the transgender flag

"Brave and Important - Don=E2=80=99t miss this= wonderful book!"
- Laura L. Engel, Intl. Memoir Writers Assn.

Available on Amazon and bn.com. Audiobook on Google Play.

<= /td>


On 10/9/23 19:11, Jonathan Gray wrote:
On Mon, Oct 09, 2023 at 04:17:36PM +0000, segaloco via TUH=
S wrote:

Spotted this and ordered it on eBay https://www.ebay.com/itm/235246689392

After the link is a pretty nondescript comb-bound 4.1BSD User's
Manual Volume 2C.  I don't think I've seen comb-bound issues prior
to the USENIX 4.2BSD set that introduced the Beastie cover.  Does
anyone know if there was a limited run produced by the Berkeley
folks themselves or if this is more likely a one-off someone printed
for themselves?  Either way, this is an exciting find for the
completeness of my library, this would leave 3BSD as the only VAX
BSD version I don't have any Volume 2C papers in my bookshelf from.
If this does prove to be issue from Berkeley or someone directly
adjacent to them, the next thing I hope to figure out is if this
has Volume 1 and Volume 2A/2B companions.  I find myself curious
because the 4BSD Volume 2C I have was following a plain Jane Version
7 Volume 2A/2B rather than also 4BSD 2A/2B, so whoever curated that
set either got them that way or clobbered V7 and 4BSD docs together
themselves.

Brian Ehrmantraut's photo has two 4.1BSD volumes:
https://www=
.facebook.com/groups/internetoldfarts/posts/722465582733996/
Link from when the Wollongong Group version of the commentary was
mentioned here.

There was a Bell Laboratories printing of the 4.1BSD manuals.
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1981-bell-laboratories-unix-users-1=
947580163
https=
://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1980-bell-laboratories-unix-1947578308

A list of documents included with the distribution can be found in
doc/vmunix/cover*.  Below text from 4.1a.tar.gz included in the CSRG
Archives.

				   July 8, 1981


This is a full distribution kit for the second release of
the Fourth Berkeley software tape, known as 4.1bsd.  The
package you received should have contained:

1)   Either a 2400' 1600 bpi magnetic tape or two RK07 disk
     cartridges containing the basic system software; this
     is the bootstrap distribution media.  A second 2400'
     1600 bpi tape or a third RK07 disk cartridge contains
     additional material beyond the basic system on the
     first tape (INGRES, source for documents in the
     manuals, bit mapped fonts, etc.)

2)   Documents titled ``Installing and operating 4.1bsd'',
     ``Bug fixes and changes in 4.1bsd'', ``Changes to the
     kernel in 4.1bsd'', and ``Hints on configuring VAX
     systems for UNIX''

3)   A two sided copy of volume 1 of the programmer's
     manual.

4)   A single sided, reproduction-quality copy of Volume 1
     of the programmer's manual for the system.

5)   A copy of a document describing fsck.

6)   A two sided copy of volumes 2a and 2b of the
     programmer's manual.

7)   A single sided, reproduction-quality, copy of Volume 2c
     of the programmer's manual for the system.

8)   2 Vi Reference Cards and a master for reproducing
     cards.

9)   Three documents describing the Berkeley Network.

10)  Two documents on the internals of the Pascal system.
     manual and a new table of contents for volume 2c.

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