From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 0f1624be for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2018 21:15:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 35B42A17E3; Tue, 26 Jun 2018 07:15:48 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01F9B9E5C0; Tue, 26 Jun 2018 07:15:35 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b=bftZCLOt; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id A39DC9E5C0; Tue, 26 Jun 2018 07:15:32 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-it0-f51.google.com (mail-it0-f51.google.com [209.85.214.51]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 24B6F9E5BE for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2018 07:15:32 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-it0-f51.google.com with SMTP id a3-v6so14495006itd.0 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2018 14:15:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=cvPuH7qIqtZMEKrU3CVoq7VawYs0aCrDYBT76seBH0A=; b=bftZCLOt4Z9JUTmEnrcs5zvk5ybI5Ezio6iLE4j9DH+wMXsOsCZWIUCtLSwQf3ijzr TyUIrvLNX8ie4GtKIprnNTgssu1IG0ef5qto9oOH5NM0/6bolIuTPoqssrL9EtpHUArv GD8PL9PY8PsnlUx9paqoF/tcKUAibleG1kfnM= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=cvPuH7qIqtZMEKrU3CVoq7VawYs0aCrDYBT76seBH0A=; b=hXelusK7G15UcFHIWLNSLTGTlYr73P4awn2gXe4gyovWD+m69paJrO3m8s6kv0jdQT ftG+8ZMnT3Ab97rx3oUdN39PsIBdXulealDhF5OU9jvoZyiiRfDLRiPGpyZOHwC1uvzs nU37PKp/EMJi6rmWguJH/0+6ki4Xq7CXxciv7HCLPemBmqZCLDKr6qe/CExmeqCMnKbR bOHuUjbW/NISa9gT3DO+XnMZXbgUhzijvc6QMS+mUzOy97z6J64pXXmr7ZZrRn9rB/ja CsUJpKJigoQnzxNF/u0wENT9XlvZcDyddellTX1FIBzdMZuffLxnkTnBSd9uNc1f74SU J++Q== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E17J5B+RMF1f+QCQvMyBNWAOn50F9LRI5b4nMR/b0cTpBaos5q0 EO4zPQnynZej5iAvRRR0U0CN/T9UFMPgIYTOTOjwCQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AAOMgpepACfdXfv0bVcYEADGmidOcU5USotUvbGRqorC940p0FXeLiY4TcK6xdc2UjMFobYmErEQWyc06aaQxqnlTac= X-Received: by 2002:a24:987:: with SMTP id 129-v6mr2341144itm.136.1529961331300; Mon, 25 Jun 2018 14:15:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a4f:ca8a:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Jun 2018 14:15:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20180625161016.C16BA18C082@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> <3950d997-d310-7cfc-30bf-237e9d872739@spamtrap.tnetconsulting.net> From: Clem Cole Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2018 17:15:00 -0400 Message-ID: To: Grant Taylor Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000ac3412056f7de1f5" Subject: Re: [TUHS] off-topic list X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000ac3412056f7de1f5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 4:47 PM, Grant Taylor via TUHS wrote: > > > Wait, are you saying that qmail was written as a replacement for PMDF? Or > that you used qmail as your replacement for PMDF? =E2=80=8BUnclear - why Borstein does anything in my mind. Best I can tell h= e wrote because he (and a lot of us) disliked sendmail. I think he felt MMDF was too much of a mess by that point and it was time to start over. He had already did a replacement for bind. But it would have primarily been a replacement for MMDF I would have thought --- PMDF originally was written in Pascal for VMS, although PMDF might have been moved back to UNIX by then. The dates are fuzzy. > "In 1999 PMDF was translated from Pascal to C. The C version of PMDF > became the basis of the Sun Java System Messaging Server of Sun > Microsystems" > My memory is hazy, I seem to remember there was one more heavy weight mail system after MMDF for UNIX that came from the Brits in the 1980s/early 90s in the same vein who's name I can not think of. =E2=80=8B That must have b= een PMDF now that I think about it. Simon Rosenthal was one of guys involved in it. He did the support for what it was for us at LCC. Thinking about it, we must have been running that version at Locus before I went to DEC. If I can find Simon or the other Andy Tannenbaum (trb), I'll ask them if either of them remembers. But I can say the date has to be wrong on this quote you mention. I would think the translation from Pascal back to C would have been 10 year earlier and that would make more sense. By 1999, I had left LCC. As I said, Simon would be a good person to ask if I can dig him up. > I wouldn't bet that (the C version of) PMDF was reimplemented in Java jus= t > because the name contained Java. I seem to recall Sun putting Java in th= e > name of many products at the time. =E2=80=8BRight....=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8BClem=E2=80=8B =E1=90=A7 --000000000000ac3412056f7de1f5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 4:47 PM, Grant Taylor via TUHS <tu= hs@minnie.tuhs.org> wrote:
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Wait, are you saying that qmail was written as a replacement for PMDF? Or t= hat you used qmail as your replacement for PMDF?
=E2=80= =8BUnclear - why Borstein does anything in my mind. Best I can tell he wrot= e because he (and a lot of us) disliked sendmail.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I think he fe= lt MMDF was too much of a mess by that point and it was time to start over.= =C2=A0 =C2=A0He had already did a replacement for bind.=C2=A0 But it would = have primarily been a replacement for MMDF I would have thought --- PMDF or= iginally was written in Pascal for VMS, although PMDF might have been moved= back to UNIX by then.=C2=A0 The dates are fuzzy.

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 "In 1999 PMDF was translated from Pascal to C. The C version of PMDF b= ecame the basis of the Sun Java System Messaging Server of Sun Microsystems= "

My memory is hazy, I seem to remem= ber there was one more heavy weight mail system after MMDF for UNIX that ca= me from the Brits in the 1980s/early 90s in the same vein who's name I = can not think of. =E2=80=8B=C2=A0 That must have been PMDF now that I think= about it.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Simon Rosenthal was one of guys involved in it.=C2= =A0 He did the support for what it was for us at LCC.=C2=A0 Thinking about = it, we must have been running that version at Locus before I went to DEC.= =C2=A0 If I can find Simon or the other Andy Tannenbaum (trb), I'll ask= them if either of them remembers.=C2=A0 But I can say the date has to be w= rong on this quote you mention.=C2=A0 I would think the translation from Pa= scal back to C would have been 10 year earlier and that would make more sen= se.=C2=A0 =C2=A0By 1999, I had left LCC.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 As I said, Simon woul= d be a good person to ask if I can dig him up.



I wouldn't bet that (the C version of) PMDF was reimplemented in Java j= ust because the name contained Java.=C2=A0 I seem to recall Sun putting Jav= a in the name of many products at the time.
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