From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 4329 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2022 19:41:21 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 1 Feb 2022 19:41:21 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 3B5989D762; Wed, 2 Feb 2022 05:40:58 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 290C99BDAE; Wed, 2 Feb 2022 05:40:34 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b="Jx9M8Xsw"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 1442D9BDAE; Wed, 2 Feb 2022 05:40:23 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qv1-f45.google.com (mail-qv1-f45.google.com [209.85.219.45]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7395F9B95E for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2022 05:40:22 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qv1-f45.google.com with SMTP id k4so16973145qvt.6 for ; Tue, 01 Feb 2022 11:40:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=CslDl5vQ2o4eo4C3A4H38suvLu5/DgkQf0Hg1lv9Tbo=; b=Jx9M8Xsw+slb/1yEgJsCs3Hik4tSr/GuPaZrO8teIdiNIu2ryg3CvfLWltbwj+NWKO ILwKk6ra9558qH8kOXn2eS5avfIddapESm1BrRQFpEDB0hSuL+wXcrcdkJPfXKQNGFkr Gu1l8A4i8jaRDelhdfXOLtpZAR6iJlylQ6gwY= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=CslDl5vQ2o4eo4C3A4H38suvLu5/DgkQf0Hg1lv9Tbo=; b=x3ybWuYrDW3cV5QetUKhA6h3kn6er/Pbxe6nFcwCIZp/1bgndHr/y2bOSsYH3sxbfU jlZEYyrOBFSCq7O5YFQZJqyCN7DDUIegamN1aR1Vsdwk54M0gCU9oiT8mZrIfamuVErL cabbEPgZGukvcNXHPMy8AcILedF2IUx6bFRvqQclR8MgFOcbwR/3lB910qWcxCjyyepf Qmw4d/aYFyu3qRKUVtQ8+qmdkBNmOlBaBUTGvSxB0jOa62I1NvQ/vSKdPK/UnMfL1hJg 4MnTxzFraTTJ2ekScy7FqH3ctOYCSIiV738haxz0zQ1y4+3ssBoQLYFg76UzAEejmJrT PQOw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5305MeoPtKGuD8NiefaUlfBHmXvNJg5VtRzDPshHLcc4CwjouZnS d4v7XncvPQPuA9C2N8BG6Kb8Y+vRStSwwmH9MKJVeNdPGxRxEQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwqm/CxvP3dOpkB4+Xt2QXsI8qZuK+coCcsTCGBV24mOL7XEizb6JIA3Ysfpk+3H1o9yKVA+Z1ANW6QlmI7izM= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:19c1:: with SMTP id j1mr24173903qvc.129.1643744421282; Tue, 01 Feb 2022 11:40:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20220201181909.6224518C086@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> In-Reply-To: From: Clem Cole Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2022 14:39:55 -0500 Message-ID: To: Dan Cross Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000551b8705d6fa1248" Subject: Re: [TUHS] ratfor vibe X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list , Noel Chiappa Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000551b8705d6fa1248 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Dan - thanks. Clem On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 2:10 PM Dan Cross wrote: > On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 1:49 PM Clem Cole wrote: > >> [snip] >> FWIW: Through the 60s, the early and into the later 70s, CMU used to >> call its 15-104 "Intro to Computer Programming" and was based on batch >> (card) computing using FTN4, later WATFIV. They used a number of books. >> The book I had was from Waterloo and other than being blue and black in >> color, I remember little from it - since I already knew how and the TA let >> me take 'self-taught' by turning in assignments/taking the tests without >> going to class. Like Freshman Physics and Calc, all intro science >> and engineering majors were required to take it however, since the >> engineering depts were sure what you would see when you graduated was FTN >> based code [which was probably true for the more pure Science types]. >> Much later (many years after I left) the CS Dept finally convinced Mat >> Sci, Chem E and Mech E to allow the course to be taught using Pascal. I >> think they use either Java or Python now, but I haven't checked. >> > > There was a bit of a stir about 10 years ago when CMU switched from Java > (I think?) to Python and SML for introductory computer science education. I > remember reading a report at the time, which I _think_ is this: > http://reports-archive.adm.cs.cmu.edu/anon/2010/CMU-CS-10-140.pdf > > Though perhaps not, because it _really_ bit into Java and the whole OOP > thing. > > Robert Harper had a blog post that I found interesting about exposing > freshmen to functional programming: > https://existentialtype.wordpress.com/2011/03/15/teaching-fp-to-freshmen/ > > - Dan C. > > --000000000000551b8705d6fa1248 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dan - thanks.
Clem

On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 = at 2:10 PM Dan Cross <crossd@gmail.c= om> wrote:
On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 1:49 PM Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote:
[snip]
FWIW: =C2=A0Through the 60s, the early and into the later 70s,= CMU used to call its 15-104 "Intro to Computer Programming" and = was based on batch (card) computing using FTN4, later WATFIV.=C2=A0 They us= ed a number of books.=C2=A0 The book I had was from Waterloo and other than= being blue and black in color, I remember little from it - since I already= knew how and the TA let me take 'self-taught' by turning in assign= ments/taking the tests without going to class.=C2=A0 Like Freshman Physics = and=C2=A0Calc, all intro science and=C2=A0engineering majors were required = to take it however, since the engineering depts were sure what you would se= e when you graduated was=C2=A0FTN based code [which was probably true for t= he more pure Science types]. =C2=A0 Much later (many years after I left) = =C2=A0the=C2=A0CS Dept finally convinced Mat Sci, Chem E and Mech E to allo= w the course=C2=A0to be taught using Pascal.=C2=A0 I think they use either = Java or Python now, but I haven't checked.

There was a bit of a stir about 10 years ago when CMU= switched from Java (I think?) to Python and SML for introductory computer = science education. I remember reading a report at the time, which I _think_= is this:=C2=A0http://reports-archive.adm.cs.cmu.edu/a= non/2010/CMU-CS-10-140.pdf

Though perhaps not,= because it _really_ bit into Java and the whole OOP thing.

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Robert Harper had a blog post that I found interesting about expo= sing freshmen to functional programming:=C2=A0= https://existentialtype.wordpress.com/2011/03/15/teaching-fp-to-freshmen/

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