From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,URIBL_SBL,URIBL_SBL_A autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 627b7143 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 20:11:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 9B9BB9C10E; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 06:10:59 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F14D93D9E; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 06:10:30 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b="FvxPndCw"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 92EBB93D9E; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 06:10:28 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qt1-f180.google.com (mail-qt1-f180.google.com [209.85.160.180]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F2C7893D24 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 06:10:27 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qt1-f180.google.com with SMTP id r22so20951600qtt.2 for ; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 12:10:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=xiNyvQzWBXiIxUb5uPGGFOqd72P8jF1MY8uIyhYFD6Q=; b=FvxPndCwZME8FOImKT9O2b+U2XRQvjhkW8PR2jQwXHMkPVVl/jS6ZRyitzW5TzfxOs 1jYhJRdBcZBoVNBS4tc9/Sf9bD4bVDE9H799Os8GG6GoJaSigXaSoRG8xDNLvgoq2XEd tGlrcBY5BL4uUF5Dedva8g+kynuJZ/Vk+TlMo= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=xiNyvQzWBXiIxUb5uPGGFOqd72P8jF1MY8uIyhYFD6Q=; b=JUEp6SVPQWtc99IGNJGkKmIcRPdv+w1mj1199n/BotA29g0EN8oH6MNYX3Bvoevn4y dE6MjYXzYRW2p4rYgAosL+dDSx6a8JC0U27s5+SV1wc4Y68rTiYYnq/1NKlty19GHTyv EfWzpY8Ug085ucYXmKticH0cC8ZZd50jeA8UZnL/dFeVW7NQbqoFPEy9AIXIwFt3wXve Iou5SYQmWL9ekshw56915+m2q8le+HT7on945b0tTKXmg3zwGfCgHPYo83g7zSI8xlxu zaQM6zn3SPab9SvlFXyWNQZLecVxUlfI31DhObr5SjSD4t7C1sQ/qrIYahR6r2Fh3XY/ hQ9Q== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVz8rBV+ok1uGbGDCi7JRe1GI1I5z3h15z0vWc+sJAnNoENi4dj Z6of23GxSyQ/w4cFqtwvcknkU4pM+bbxk4l3vqCf3Q== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyxCpkY4Ohg6/UvdU49sLAv6nQG7Ri8fZ2ulH2OiyOGMTyAaOiM0bprbLvdQtdASNlVII7Zk7Cj+VpCNoxpq+U= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:35a4:: with SMTP id k33mr19856389qtb.354.1572984626912; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 12:10:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Clem Cole Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 15:10:00 -0500 Message-ID: To: Christopher Browne Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000ecab5705969f0574" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Amdahl UTS, AIX/370, AIX/ESA X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000ecab5705969f0574 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 2:03 PM Christopher Browne wrote: > The dates seem to decently explain the invisibility; introduction in 1992 > The formal introduction of the PS/2 was April 87 (by the crew of Mash for the TV ads IIRC). Again, if my memory serves LCC started working on UNIX for the 370 in the mid'86s, actually before the PS/2 was announced, which would be announced as AIX/370. ISC had done the original 386 port for Intel, IBM, and AT&T - but that was for an ISA based systems originally [Phil Shevrin pulled one of the best sales jobs I ever knew -- he got paid three times for the same basic work]. At some point (and I would have to ask someone like Bruce Walker or Greg Thiel for the better info), the contract got widen AIX to include the PS/2 - a.k.a. create AIX/386. How much of the original ISC work was that build upon, I never knew. LCC worked for a number of years and the two AIX's were available for customers, probably under a special University license. The formal introduction was later (and '92 sounds right). But there were sites that had one or both before that time. I want to say, LCC worked with IBM for about 8-10 years starting in the mid-80s. BTW: They also did a UNIX port to AS/400 (on top of the native OS - similar to Eunice for the VAX or today's MingWin and Dave Korn's UWIN stuff). I've forgotten the dates on that, I want to say 93/94 time frame. Enough time has gone by, I think I can safely tell another story, WRT the AS/400. When that happened, IBM and LCC had a number oif years under their bridge and the LCC management team thought we knew how to work with IBM. Since we had a base IBM contract, we all figured that could be added/amended to as needed. When the folks from Rochester called asking about a quote for the AS/400 work, our sales folks trotted out the existing contract for AIX and figured - ok write a new SOW and we are done. Nope -- different division/different set of lawyers. Something was said to us in the form of 'Rochester Won the Baldridge Award.' I remember our CEO groaning - and saying something like 'Here we go again.' It was then I realized IBM was N different companies, each competing with each other. Clem =E1=90=A7 --000000000000ecab5705969f0574 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 2:03 = PM Christopher Browne <cbbrowne@gm= ail.com> wrote:
The dates seem to decently explain= the invisibility; introduction in 1992=C2=A0
= The formal introduction of the PS/2 was April 87 (by the crew of Mash f= or the TV ads IIRC).=C2=A0 Again, if my memory serves LCC started working o= n UNIX for the 370 in the mid'86s, actually before the PS/2 was announc= ed, which would be announced as AIX/370.=C2=A0 =C2=A0ISC had done the origi= nal 386 port for Intel, IBM, and AT&T - but that was for an ISA based s= ystems originally [Phil Shevrin pulled one of the best sales jobs I ever kn= ew -- he got paid three times for the same basic work].

At some point (and I would=C2=A0have to ask som= eone like Bruce Walker or Greg Thiel for the better info), the contract got= widen AIX to include the PS/2 - a.k.a. create AIX/386.=C2=A0 How much of t= he original ISC work was that build upon, I never knew.=C2=A0
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LCC worked for a number of years and the = two AIX's=C2=A0were available for customers, probably under a special U= niversity license.=C2=A0 =C2=A0The formal introduction was later (and '= 92 sounds right). But there were sites that had one or both before that tim= e.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I want to say, LCC worked with IBM for about 8-10 years star= ting in the mid-80s. BTW: They also did a UNIX port to AS/400=C2=A0<= span class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri= f">(on top of the native OS - similar to Eunice for t= he VAX or today's MingWin and Dave Korn's UWIN stuff).=C2=A0 =C2=A0= I've forgotten the dates on that, I want to say 93/94 time frame.

Enough time has gone by, I thin= k I can safely tell another story, WRT the AS/400.=C2=A0 When that happened= , IBM and LCC had a number oif years under their bridge and the LCC managem= ent team thought we knew how to work with IBM.=C2=A0 Since we had a base IB= M contract, we all figured that could be added/amended to as needed.=C2=A0 = When the folks from Rochester called asking about a quote for the AS/400 wo= rk, our sales folks trotted out the existing contract for AIX and figured -= ok write a new SOW and we are done.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Nope -- different division= /different set of lawyers.=C2=A0 Something was said to us in the form of &#= 39;Rochester Won the Baldridge Award.'=C2=A0 =C2=A0I remember our CEO g= roaning - and saying something like 'Here we go again.'=C2=A0 It wa= s then I realized IBM was N different companies, each competing with each o= ther.

Clem
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