From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,URIBL_SBL_A autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 25892 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2021 22:26:55 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 10 Feb 2021 22:26:55 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id EB12F94F19; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 08:26:53 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A68BA94F1B; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 08:26:39 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b="W6/WPcn/"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id AA3BC94F1B; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 08:26:37 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qk1-f171.google.com (mail-qk1-f171.google.com [209.85.222.171]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DE6AD94F19 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 08:26:36 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qk1-f171.google.com with SMTP id o193so3408464qke.11 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 14:26:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=t2E2ln32LUK31ALDYeKp86EyQMVpMUrHubE+P3xbOTU=; b=W6/WPcn/Djh5h4Bs2BOQY1hJC7iEZ/f56bwDwEZK1AtxN51ohbNvwGie/MIW95xXeE E2LMpM8mDf8zgKnjgaKfO24i0D1T4xysoc6wQYnUVlTWno6RfmHVGrWkLjYrnZCFttKf XAYK2WMPpLO5hEhLAjNecT7R741TE+s9VTtow= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=t2E2ln32LUK31ALDYeKp86EyQMVpMUrHubE+P3xbOTU=; b=eemhz5QQ8EHHoVg+ctMFwtMmvI/d/ua4GAMhloNoc0xwCCk965/1Q3fCcabrHsgYWu +TYwaTVcl/4q3NEsJRFs6g0ufKZSFg4uCAsiPzz4AxAPgYboEYa73xvYVsbZ+1s/c3w+ o6XOCTSPaebDPw/UON8t8xGckT/MOfrxidLiu9GtV0D8TurdiaNDBBkbzGqiXcy2Q4L+ B1wCBoXfcF7k+WOTCK6tdDhLeaa8hbXQY+TwSb3Tzr2/JbIikz3dkEM/0+enU41a124o oR7M+UbWVbiuUc0aA9JXb4ueyWTecoAWIMH4rR8W/DGa+FHfX0T1Z00KPwLBe7Pj930+ a1gw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5318myWgK5/tW/sbAh+qdAYduheOGjrf0X5W76TAa0HYcrUDV38c GN1oRmpq5m2igzcSNpCzwTW4JS172HNHOQLFsUazfoibdefhIw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxLAaRywbKOtybpbxUk/G2567YYIToyFxbtgW1dTcMxqTrxkoKuaLf2yliQlxOxDtg0NivVtwPaMN0rk949sRM= X-Received: by 2002:ae9:d881:: with SMTP id u123mr5765325qkf.133.1612995995690; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 14:26:35 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9c1595cc-54a1-8af9-0c2d-083cb04dd97c@spamtrap.tnetconsulting.net> <20201125172255.83D252146F@orac.inputplus.co.uk> <20201126145134.GB394251@mit.edu> <20201126214825.bDDjr%steffen@sdaoden.eu> In-Reply-To: From: Clem Cole Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 17:26:10 -0500 Message-ID: To: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000058f31005bb02e555" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Seeking wisdom from Unix Greybeards X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --00000000000058f31005bb02e555 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 1:57 PM Greg A. Woods wrote: > As an aside, the DEC VT100 terminal was an early (it came out a year befo= re > X3.64) Yup, It was spec'ed at least a year ahead and its the code was committed before the standard was even in a draft vote. > and relatively complete (for a video terminal application) implementation > of X3.64. > Although different from and the missing stuff was a bear. Originally, VT100 !=3D X3.64 which has caused many issues over the years. The b= ig issue was the lack of a proper insert/delete, it used scrolling regions instead. Kudos to Mary Ann for working through that whole mess years ago! That's why back in the day, I preferred the H19 and later the Ambassador ;-= ) My memory is that was ECMA that got the DEC changes/differences added/put back/made legal. But originally, there were not. At one point, I had a copy of the internal DEC documentation (which I think I got from Tom Kent who wrote much of the rom code and had been on the committee for DEC at one point, but I don't remember). Clem =E1=90=A7 =E1=90=A7 --00000000000058f31005bb02e555 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 1:57= PM Greg A. Woods <woods@robohack.ca> wrote:
As an aside, the DEC VT100 terminal was an early (it cam= e out a year before X3.64)
Yup, It was spec= 'ed at least=C2=A0a year ahead and its the code was committed=C2=A0befo= re=C2=A0the standard was even in a draft vote.

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Although different from and the missing stuff was a= bear.=C2=A0 Originally, VT100 !=3D=C2=A0 X3.64=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0w= hich has caused many issues over the years.=C2=A0 The big issue was the lac= k of a proper insert/delete, it used scrolling regions instead.=C2=A0 Kudos= to Mary Ann for working through that whole mess years ago!=C2=A0 That'= s why back in the day, I preferred=C2=A0the H19 and later the Ambassador ;-= )

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