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From: Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com>
To: Noel Chiappa <jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>
Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society <tuhs@tuhs.org>
Subject: Re: [TUHS] core
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2018 08:58:36 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAC20D2OWCgm0GXg2-RYcnX97Sm_n3TUpL-YUSfUayFWVUNYhog@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180619122359.1525D18C084@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>

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On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 8:23 AM, Noel Chiappa <jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>
wrote:

>     > From: Doug McIlroy <doug@cs.dartmouth.edu>
>
>     > Yet late in his life Forrester told me that the Whirlwind-connected
>     > invention he was most proud of was marginal testing
>
> Given the above, I'm totally gobsmacked to hear that. Margin testing was
> important, yes, but not even remotely on the same quantum level as core.

​Wow -- I had exactly the same reaction.     To me, core was the second
most important invention (semiconductors switching being he first) for
making computing practical.   I was thinking that systems must have been
really bad (worse than I knew) from a reliability stand point if he put
marginal testing up there as more important than core.

Like you, I thought core memory was pretty darned important.  I never used
a system that had Williams tubes, although we had one in storage so I knew
what it looked like and knew how much more 'dense' core was compared to
it.   Which is pretty amazing still compare today.  For the modern user,
the IBM 360 a 1M core box (which we had 4) was made up of  4 19" relay
racks, each was about 54" high and 24" deep.    If you go to
CMU Computer Photos from Chris Hausler
<http://www.silogic.com/Athena/CMU%20Photos%20from%20Chris%20Hausler.html>
​ and scroll down you can see some pictures of the old 360 (including a
copy of me in them circa 75/76 in front of it) to gage the size).



FWIW:
I broke in with MECL which Motorola invented / developed for IBM for System
360 and it (and TTL) were the first logic families I learned with which to
design.   I remember the margin pots on the front of the 360 that we used
when we were trying to find weak gates, which happened about ones every 10
days.

The interesting part to me is that I'm suspect the PDP-10's and the Univac
1108 broke as often as the 360 did, but I have fewer memories of chasing
problems with them.   Probably because it was a less of an issue that was
causing so many people to be disrupted by the 'down' time.
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  reply	other threads:[~2018-06-19 12:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-06-19 12:23 Noel Chiappa
2018-06-19 12:58 ` Clem Cole [this message]
2018-06-19 13:53   ` John P. Linderman
2018-06-21 14:09 ` Paul Winalski
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2018-06-21 22:44 Nelson H. F. Beebe
2018-06-21 23:07 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-06-21 23:38   ` Toby Thain
2018-06-21 17:40 Noel Chiappa
2018-06-21 17:07 Nelson H. F. Beebe
2018-06-21 13:46 Doug McIlroy
2018-06-21 16:13 ` Tim Bradshaw
2018-06-20 20:11 Doug McIlroy
2018-06-20 23:53 ` Tim Bradshaw
2018-06-19 11:50 Doug McIlroy
     [not found] <20180618121738.98BD118C087@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>
2018-06-18 21:13 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-06-18 17:56 Noel Chiappa
2018-06-18 18:51 ` Clem Cole
2018-06-18 14:51 Noel Chiappa
2018-06-18 14:58 ` Warner Losh
     [not found] <mailman.1.1529287201.13697.tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
2018-06-18  5:58 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-06-18 12:39   ` Ronald Natalie
2018-06-17 21:18 Noel Chiappa
2018-06-17 17:58 Noel Chiappa
2018-06-18  9:16 ` Tim Bradshaw
2018-06-18 15:33   ` Tim Bradshaw
2018-06-17 14:36 Noel Chiappa
2018-06-17 15:58 ` Derek Fawcus
2018-06-16 22:57 Noel Chiappa
     [not found] <mailman.1.1529175600.3826.tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
2018-06-16 22:14 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-06-16 22:38   ` Arthur Krewat
2018-06-17  0:15   ` Clem cole
2018-06-17  1:50     ` Johnny Billquist
2018-06-17 10:33       ` Ronald Natalie
2018-06-20 16:55       ` Paul Winalski
2018-06-20 21:35         ` Johnny Billquist
2018-06-20 22:24           ` Paul Winalski
2018-06-16 13:49 Noel Chiappa
2018-06-16 14:10 ` Clem Cole
2018-06-16 14:34   ` Lawrence Stewart
2018-06-16 15:28     ` Larry McVoy
2018-06-16 14:10 ` Steve Nickolas
2018-06-16 14:13   ` William Pechter
2018-06-16 13:37 Noel Chiappa
2018-06-16 18:59 ` Clem Cole
2018-06-17 12:15 ` Derek Fawcus
2018-06-17 17:33 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-06-17 19:50   ` Jon Forrest
2018-06-18 14:56   ` Clem Cole
2018-06-18 12:36 ` Tony Finch
2018-06-16 12:58 Doug McIlroy
2018-06-20 11:10 ` Dave Horsfall
2018-06-16 12:51 Noel Chiappa
2018-06-16 13:11 ` Clem cole
2018-06-15 15:25 Noel Chiappa
2018-06-15 23:05 ` Dave Horsfall
2018-06-15 23:22   ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2018-06-16  6:36     ` Dave Horsfall
2018-06-16 19:07       ` Clem Cole
2018-06-18  9:25         ` Tim Bradshaw
2018-06-19 20:45           ` Peter Jeremy
2018-06-19 22:55             ` David Arnold
2018-06-20  5:04               ` Peter Jeremy
2018-06-20  5:41                 ` Warner Losh
2018-06-15 11:19 A. P. Garcia
2018-06-15 13:50 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2018-06-15 14:21 ` Clem Cole
2018-06-15 15:11   ` John P. Linderman
2018-06-15 15:21     ` Larry McVoy
2018-06-16  1:08   ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2018-06-16  2:00     ` Nemo Nusquam
2018-06-16  2:17     ` John P. Linderman
2018-06-16  3:06     ` Clem cole
2018-06-20 10:06 ` Dave Horsfall

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