From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id a9cb0490 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 2020 13:49:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 514429C0F7; Sun, 19 Jan 2020 23:49:35 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDFA69BDD8; Sun, 19 Jan 2020 23:49:13 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b="n3UVD+5g"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 3279B9BDD8; Sun, 19 Jan 2020 23:49:10 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qk1-f196.google.com (mail-qk1-f196.google.com [209.85.222.196]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 59B629B87B for ; Sun, 19 Jan 2020 23:49:09 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qk1-f196.google.com with SMTP id z76so27582813qka.2 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 2020 05:49:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=hYD3dys9RPq5PjYAp1tIBgWT9P7fEIKw/m9sVVMcVlM=; b=n3UVD+5gBuD0onbZLuY4lkXbKTsljUwfuBeBFk4bI+0WHsWtUnMJemOaXjJUqd++t6 tUgAOnHxx85LbR7K8//TjKIxxhhzMVqa4Att8eflWuuDJz8ikcNWRcHEOTrhbiOssyVf 7NR5zrzprKp5xooR4zFmValKzWlARdYBuAMT0= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=hYD3dys9RPq5PjYAp1tIBgWT9P7fEIKw/m9sVVMcVlM=; b=r5dvxxwTQw/dZRjGslBmDjqSBOF/QCRs436FyxHnSGoC36wJurM3EDfOu7GGNV9XsU iKMXwVCjB8M2qa9L0nXXMEERX4cWzFa/y6aGD2gDyvry+uWHljW7Jd3TfepJX6fKajHp v7T+EFxDWa99bjIVZEMBKxwVYLz7r9ffo5uFlv/oSNjCCFFmchbsfZ5mZrfFBdZZSCRz ptzF40TphLcd03kLQnvpN1Wwd7U2o8uHYwyy9C9KOMXwzHhr27PP8ua6kQphizMa16Tp iojJ19qbasF4fmjKl5uBKi/6HCM2fyYEVdaxb3d+VHW/QSFe2Nuxy89QPDeksTqSpgBP u0dg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUSILH+YwOBLPvMTX1EEGIm30vfXn5xeLBoNCpYHheijyAgKXHr dRV3t7sZUdMSbDvpdk/1aa6tChWPUkB4K3qRAN1IYA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyMgQPAwp57oWMhT9OtGKJovtp0sbsdF/ee+BfGXskm3V0ebwoyOFT4XSYXBbKoBLvHOMV7pBiiReINv2ZdpMc= X-Received: by 2002:a37:48f:: with SMTP id 137mr47223118qke.25.1579441748247; Sun, 19 Jan 2020 05:49:08 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200117195908.GF15253@ancienthardware.org> <20200118035051.GC481935@mit.edu> <20200118041913.GB67053@eureka.lemis.com> <20200119024900.GA15860@mit.edu> <20200119031225.GI67053@eureka.lemis.com> <20200119035808.GK67053@eureka.lemis.com> <20200119132551.GC15860@mit.edu> In-Reply-To: <20200119132551.GC15860@mit.edu> From: Clem Cole Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2020 08:48:56 -0500 Message-ID: To: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000591a57059c7e70dc" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Early Linux and BSD (was: On the origins of Linux - "an academic question") X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: UNIX Heritage Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000591a57059c7e70dc Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I don't remember, to be honest, I don't think so. When it first was released which was before Linus's famous announcement, the ftp site was from ucbvax and any UCB licensee that asked for got sent a copy of the URL but you had to ask for it. It was not a well kept secret. When the BSDi / UCB vs ATT came later, as Larry said a lot of us who were primarily driven by wanting a 'real unix' for the 386 thought it was about copyright and that's when we looked at Linux. Then it came out that was a TS suit and many of us switched back because Linux lacked networking and X11 On Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 8:26 AM Theodore Y. Ts'o wrote: > On Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 02:58:08PM +1100, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > > > > Sorry, I was wrong. That particular article was number 16 of the 18 > > part series, as shown at > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/386BSD#Further_reading. It does raise > > the question why the Dr Dobb's search engine didn't find any of them. > > Out of curiosity, did the articles contain download information for a > bootable copy of 386BSD? > > - Ted > -- Sent from a handheld expect more typos than usual --000000000000591a57059c7e70dc Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I don't remember, to be honest, I don't thin= k so. When it first was released which was before Linus's famous announ= cement, the ftp site was from ucbvax and any UCB licensee that asked for go= t sent a copy of the URL but you had to ask for it. =C2=A0

It was not a well kept secret.=C2= =A0 When the BSDi / UCB vs ATT came later, as Larry said a lot of us who we= re primarily driven by wanting a 'real unix' for the 386 thought it= was about copyright and that's when we looked=C2=A0at Linux.=C2=A0 The= n it came out that was a TS suit and many of us switched back because Linux= lacked networking and X11

On Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 8:26 AM Theodore Y. = Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu> wrote:<= br>
On Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 02:58:08PM = +1100, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
>
> Sorry, I was wrong.=C2=A0 That particular article was number 16 of the= 18
> part series, as shown at
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/386BSD#Furt= her_reading.=C2=A0 It does raise
> the question why the Dr Dobb's search engine didn't find any o= f them.

Out of curiosity, did the articles contain download information for a
bootable copy of 386BSD?

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - Ted
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