From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 14e189d4 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2019 13:44:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id D78C39B501; Tue, 11 Jun 2019 23:44:41 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7824D9518D; Tue, 11 Jun 2019 23:44:13 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b="ayV2DxEt"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 603549518D; Tue, 11 Jun 2019 23:44:11 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-wm1-f53.google.com (mail-wm1-f53.google.com [209.85.128.53]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 78A8C9518A for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2019 23:44:10 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-wm1-f53.google.com with SMTP id x15so3028400wmj.3 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2019 06:44:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=74g1AHRnVva5XBhOHxRbZ8ip+H5Ar2PNcXd1RvbYiN4=; b=ayV2DxEt6BXGu+6aleNQ2Rdc+a5VJUQ2N2ZlyganmzLc4CMi3BTKcj9EURImckQjBP QvRco3gGP/9I/LlIy4qTLtgpGMbKWVt71T2w/T/Az0Nk7G04vSFlqARvbAIwFSkJrU93 GIClScf7KXhfaDV4jyQFrIE1IDwEAVJkFQ0Ss= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=74g1AHRnVva5XBhOHxRbZ8ip+H5Ar2PNcXd1RvbYiN4=; b=psDzlt4X5GDiXcF47SlwwvPXxEe/IL4AKfBz3HwtHKeqKgtoTea4qcinOt5WFmeAWc uGpMDortBOQuPT0mfqC/3HUoI60NSVFZ3PJ3TAzzFUz2YBHi+A+p+z0uJIgxCdZyWuN/ xkLWGBbj0ZxuqbG2MvdVNdU1jDWf67JCZnDzedwtsVmKJIzKg6jqQSeJIgNYsdPWKnV0 LtDPcYBQoqI8dzmuW/0ca6R7VhMswVK7UHCQdo+tsjF2B6gt8SNnVqgq5cPJLHGjU4su 2bUmMpadGQ9w2Rl41OwnETAmgTVgw70Y4An4Pbp7/zqnGreXEGSOFFWD3Es1QxXNXOS1 LAug== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWVjsmo/fy4QZ1eewwRRWCojP4/NSabdxLPTRhSWPqdA3S8kLaJ cj+1uJ+Bvb9S9oNP7QGQDuWCdYOuyHH9FHaDUhqsR7k9 X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwRMMJXg6xBeFqrwwUzgM+FAVxCi+OlfB8/67GLzcxvhQN81Pc16YXQLiVsOFi0QkMEUXMpNP1HGcjRAJHe9IU= X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:21c6:: with SMTP id x6mr5041463wmj.102.1560260648759; Tue, 11 Jun 2019 06:44:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7247.1560233525@cesium.clock.org> <169b01d5204f$f633c1f0$e29b45d0$@ronnatalie.com> In-Reply-To: <169b01d5204f$f633c1f0$e29b45d0$@ronnatalie.com> From: Clem Cole Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 09:43:42 -0400 Message-ID: To: Ronald Natalie Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000ba0724058b0c7d64" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Question about finding curses to build on v7 X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: "Erik E. Fair" , TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000ba0724058b0c7d64 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Two more thoughts... 1.) Zimmerman EMACS (a.k.a. CCA EMACS) ran on the PDP-11 originally when Steve wrote it at MIT. It's the closest to the original ITS/PDP-10 emacs of all the originals that I knew. I'm pretty sure he converted it to Pavel's freely available terminfo implementation at some point (when he was at Masscomp), but I think the original Zimmerman code has screwed down terminal support to a couple of terminals that were used at MIT. I've lost track of Steve, but I'll see if I can find you an email by reaching out on an Alumni list. 2.) I believe the first (joy created) termcap was in 2BSD but I don't think Arnold and Horton had started to pull the curses library out of vi yet. I think termcap itself had been but Mary Ann would be more authoritative than I. Check out the 2BSD, 3BSD, and 4BSD releases and look for the earliest versions. The C compiler is pretty much the same in all cases (the only issue I can think is that by 3BSD folks at UCB had removed dmr's 7 character variable limit), but I think curses should compile without too much issue on a virgin dmr V7 compiler. =E1=90=A7 On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 8:20 AM wrote: > The other early "emacs" we ran before switching to gosmacs was > JOVE--Jonathan's Own Version of Emacs. > > > > --000000000000ba0724058b0c7d64 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Two more thoughts...

1.) Zimmerman= EMACS (a.k.a. CCA EMACS) ran on the PDP-11 originally when Steve wrote it = at MIT.=C2=A0 It's the closest to the original ITS/PDP-10 emacs of all = the originals that I knew.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I'm pretty sure he converted it= to Pavel's freely available terminfo implementation at some point (whe= n he was at Masscomp), but I think the original Zimmerman code has screwed = down terminal support to a couple of terminals that were used at MIT.=C2=A0= =C2=A0I've lost track of Steve, but I'll see if I can find you an = email by reaching out on an Alumni list.

2.) I believe= the first (joy created) termcap was in 2BSD but I don't think Arnold a= nd Horton had started to pull the curses library out of vi yet.=C2=A0 I thi= nk termcap itself had been but Mary Ann would be more authoritative than I.= =C2=A0 Check out the 2BSD, 3BSD, and 4BSD releases and look for the earlies= t versions.=C2=A0 =C2=A0The C compiler is pretty much the same in all cases= (the only issue I can think is that by 3BSD folks at UCB had removed dmr&#= 39;s 7 character variable limit), but I think curses should compile without= too much issue on a virgin dmr V7 compiler.
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On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 8:20 AM <ron@ronnatalie.com> wrote:
The other early "emacs" we ran before switchin= g to gosmacs was
JOVE--Jonathan's Own Version of Emacs.



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