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From: Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com>
To: Norman Wilson <norman@oclsc.org>
Cc: tuhs@tuhs.org
Subject: [TUHS] Re: Anyone ever heard of teaching a case study of Initial Unix?
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2024 11:45:50 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAC20D2OYSM_5OciHNfSPixtLLcqB7C5U+jbY6wk5z1FtF1_yyg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
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On Wed, Jul 3, 2024 at 10:46 AM Norman Wilson <norman@oclsc.org> wrote:

> Steve Jenkin:
>
>    I've never heard of a Computer Science or Software Engineering program
>    that included a `case study' component, especially for Software
>    Development & Projects.
>
> [...]
>
>    How about the course for which John Lions wrote his famous
> exegesis of the 6/e kernel?
>
> Norman Wilson
> Toronto ON

This >>might<< be far from an OS >>developer<< perspective [*i.e*., for a
practitioner of SW development for an OS]. However, I'm quite sure it is
the same thing.    In Lion's case, he looks at the code and final system in
the same manner to examine the technical output/result  (a complete
timesharing system than in "modest HW", that a single person could
understand as it was less than 9000 KLOCs).   This is like an architecture
class might take apart drawings of Notre Dame Cathedral to examine how the
structure was developed to carry such huge loads of stone, wood, and lead
but still allow so much light in the building (such as the class on my CMU
roommates who became a restoration architect for buildings like 30th Street
Station in Philadelphia).  Case studies (which originated at HSB and are
now de rigor in most B-schools) look at the choices made, given a set of
initial conditions to create a (business) result [positively and
negatively].   What could be learned from the conditions, choices, and
results so that feature (business) leaders can recognize what might not be
obvious? The idea is that you are teaching managers about choices
that change/predict a future outcome.  This is not the same as field
practitioners trying to make a structure/machine/program to >>operate<< to
do some design function.

So, the place where a case study for SW projects (using books like Mythical
Man Month) would be helpful is an in-software engineering course. Writing
an HSB style case for something like UNIX, or Tenex or maybe Oracle;
particularly to compared to something like Brook's book would be
fascinating to read, I'm not sure Lion's text qualifies.   I think the
content of such a "case" would be quite different.

Again, it comes back to what "success" is. If success is defined as winning
the market, OS/360 was a huge success, as was DOS. But neither would
I consider a success from the standpoint of building something that future
generations of programmers would want to learn to emulate.
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Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-07-03 14:46 [TUHS] " Norman Wilson
2024-07-03 15:45 ` Clem Cole [this message]
2024-07-03 15:52   ` [TUHS] " Clem Cole
2024-07-03 16:12   ` Chet Ramey via TUHS
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2024-07-05 13:20 Douglas McIlroy
2024-07-03  4:51 [TUHS] " sjenkin
2024-07-03  5:02 ` [TUHS] " Al Kossow
2024-07-03  6:46   ` arnold
2024-07-03 14:04   ` Clem Cole
2024-07-03 15:22     ` Theodore Ts'o
2024-07-03 15:36       ` Larry McVoy
2024-07-03 14:59   ` Marc Rochkind
2024-07-03 23:35     ` G. Branden Robinson
2024-07-04 13:00       ` Marc Donner
2024-07-03  9:04 ` A. P. Garcia
2024-07-03 15:17 ` Vincenzo Nicosia
2024-07-03 15:35   ` Marc Donner
2024-07-03 17:39     ` Jon Forrest
2024-07-03 17:49       ` segaloco via TUHS
2024-07-03 18:16         ` Erik E. Fair
2024-07-03 19:58         ` Rich Salz
2024-07-03 23:15     ` Dave Horsfall
2024-07-03 23:23       ` Marc Donner
2024-07-03 23:26       ` Rik Farrow
2024-07-04 23:26         ` Dave Horsfall
2024-07-03 15:37   ` Al Kossow
2024-07-03 16:01     ` Al Kossow
2024-07-03 16:05       ` Warner Losh
2024-07-03 23:29   ` Marc Rochkind
2024-07-03 23:50     ` G. Branden Robinson
2024-07-04  8:23     ` Vincenzo Nicosia
2024-07-04 20:34       ` Nevin Liber
2024-07-04 20:44         ` segaloco via TUHS
2024-07-04 21:41           ` sjenkin
     [not found]             ` <7AC009E5-C985-44AD-A55E-E0BFC05CDD31@serissa.com>
2024-07-05  9:41               ` Steve Jenkin
2024-07-05  9:47               ` Steve Jenkin
2024-07-05  0:03         ` Stuff Received
2024-07-05  0:12           ` Larry McVoy
2024-07-05  2:24             ` Adam Thornton
2024-07-05  2:42               ` Bakul Shah via TUHS
2024-07-05  7:13                 ` arnold
2024-07-05  7:42                   ` Bakul Shah via TUHS
2024-07-05  8:20                     ` arnold
2024-07-05  8:52                       ` G. Branden Robinson
2024-07-05  7:36               ` Dave Horsfall
2024-07-05 10:18                 ` Peter Yardley
2024-07-07 22:00                   ` Dave Horsfall
2024-07-07 23:28                     ` Brad Spencer
2024-07-08  6:17                       ` Dave Horsfall
2024-07-08  6:27                       ` Lars Brinkhoff
2024-07-08  6:51                         ` Dave Horsfall
2024-07-08  9:36                           ` David Arnold
2024-07-08  6:59                       ` arnold
2024-07-08 13:22                         ` Larry McVoy
2024-07-08 15:37                           ` Al Kossow
2024-07-08 17:22                             ` Tom Lyon
2024-07-08 17:04                           ` Clem Cole
2024-07-08 15:28                         ` Brad Spencer
2024-07-08 15:33                           ` Al Kossow
2024-07-08  0:21                     ` John Levine
2024-07-08  0:35                       ` Dave Horsfall
2024-07-08 12:29                     ` Peter Yardley
2024-07-05 16:40                 ` Jon Steinhart
2024-07-06 13:20                   ` Dave Horsfall
2024-07-05  0:08       ` Marc Rochkind
2024-07-04  1:53 ` John Levine
2024-07-04  2:59   ` segaloco via TUHS
2024-07-04  6:53     ` Rob Pike
2024-07-04 15:07       ` Larry McVoy

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