From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 26145 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2024 20:08:31 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 2 Jan 2024 20:08:31 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D884E43EE4; Wed, 3 Jan 2024 06:08:26 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-ua1-x932.google.com (mail-ua1-x932.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::932]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3A92643EE3 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2024 06:08:23 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-ua1-x932.google.com with SMTP id a1e0cc1a2514c-7cc0f5bcb4fso2629101241.1 for ; Tue, 02 Jan 2024 12:08:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; t=1704226102; x=1704830902; darn=tuhs.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=umK1ZaNazGSWD6AteJAiEt0raVR3tvl+uhicU4xQJlY=; b=eJQgpmzNGeFA4qOC1jPAKxpcmjZCKETtY8Th0ZSlQWAqAOdKA/GKPgEo1KYiYfdRnK 5THtaX13Jr9lwJvQax1zP+0MztRAs6yBr41bNMmXN11jRq8Y9IrzK911pvTGxZH8cgWS Xuq4m2g6C/axfUJw7Bdi3Iszk4MwhH4DB9hho= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1704226102; x=1704830902; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=umK1ZaNazGSWD6AteJAiEt0raVR3tvl+uhicU4xQJlY=; b=MYf8GflSSy2FZxtA2zaM4Jzit/n/vAtZZThuydU3iUA4PAEQBGUtfbcqmhlEV93yW0 WE72NZ74XO1VeFzUd7DMCHCK5aKHSZBHtwi+wG8bLQ8WC7yuAgG0u0abj24LA3Hl9Ce6 shj1nvuAhhEpbMCApj2dB11VyVT1v55XSubnFubPmFHG8Wc1IO0nZ/NGMMIs+55ivv42 7SLsBy2rDRVMb/O55Oo24FGgmw4fviSQTQxIWp/w2MntQAKCnmfvBHy308s+kICdFTja cylVvDzcvB7fHk1ZlxTgU7MU7+bb22CBr0kjUw9ma2gbkR3JD7SnY2nclXqV2XRaxRDb vgcg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwbqKqETE9a8Gr33WtwICagGR5gXdd0Vr3D4YwHp5mSU1HDG1se sf38fYCQ5SWniOPCf+adS2X2tzWjTWTlhs8omnwjW4fErUra X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IF2VABki/Uk00QEO6OLsAc58HIgsZylSOvZv27+raq22c86xaMT3iDIyPDYgp3jU1PbZuvJcsl3A3ckEsuaaP0= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6102:cd4:b0:467:85e7:e5ee with SMTP id g20-20020a0561020cd400b0046785e7e5eemr1567534vst.26.1704226101761; Tue, 02 Jan 2024 12:08:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <6470c59f-a1e5-418f-803d-76bcd761f530@tnetconsulting.net> <798cf2fb-68b7-44b2-96ec-eb164c5b2a5c@case.edu> In-Reply-To: <798cf2fb-68b7-44b2-96ec-eb164c5b2a5c@case.edu> From: Clem Cole Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2024 15:07:45 -0500 Message-ID: To: chet.ramey@case.edu Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000069b71b060dfc0f6f" Message-ID-Hash: JI5VKMLG4GPSOQDDP3KHJLSG75H6BFCN X-Message-ID-Hash: JI5VKMLG4GPSOQDDP3KHJLSG75H6BFCN X-MailFrom: clemc@ccc.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: tuhs@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Question about BSD disklabel history List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --00000000000069b71b060dfc0f6f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 2:31=E2=80=AFPM Chet Ramey wro= te: > On 1/2/24 1:49 PM, Warner Losh wrote: > > > Right, this is all of the MK0, CSRG, and Sun connection via Fred, > Bill, > > and Sam. At a minimum, they knew what the other was doing/had done= , > > and some of it definitely migrated. > > > > > > What's MK0? Is that the group at DEC that did Unix? > DEC Merrimack NH Site - where Telephone Industries Group (TIG) and Custom Special Systems (CSS) were located. It was originally the site dedicated to supporting DEC's largest customer - AT & T. Bill Munson originally ran TIG= . Armando, Jean, Shannon, Cantor, *et al.* worked in TIG. Those folks eventually moved to ZK03 - Spit Brook Road, in Nashua, with the other OS teams when Ultrix was created. Sorry, old habits are hard to change. Except for the Mill itself, many, if not most, of us from the old days still refer to the different DEC sites (particularly the original New Englands) by their site code. For instance, my old offices were in MR02 (Marlboro, MA) and ZK03. Years later, the compiler team (in ZK02) was sold twice, and they never moved their desk. Hence, when I later joined Intel, my desk was placed in ZK02 with the compiler folks like Paul W. In fact, when Intel finally moved us out, we realized that folks like Steve Hobbs had not moved his desk in 30 years. I don't know what MK0 is either, but Bill Shannon and Sam Leffler had been > friends since they were both grad students here at CWRU, so I would assum= e > they kept in touch about what they were doing. > Indeed, and having been friends with them both, I can verify that they did. =E1=90=A7 --00000000000069b71b060dfc0f6f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 2:31= =E2=80=AFPM Chet Ramey <chet.rame= y@case.edu> wrote:
On 1/2/24 1:49 PM, Warner Losh wrote:

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Right, this is all of the MK0, CSRG, and Sun connec= tion via Fred, Bill,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0and Sam.=C2=A0 At a minimum, they knew what the oth= er was doing/had done,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0and some of it definitely migrated.
>
>
> What's MK0? Is that the group at DEC that did Unix?
DEC Merrimack NH Site - where Telephone = Industries Group (TIG) and Custom Special Systems (CSS) were located. It wa= s originally the site dedicated to supporting DEC's largest customer - = AT & T.=C2=A0 Bill Munson originally ran TIG.=C2=A0 Armando, Jean, Shannon, Cantor, et al. worke= d in TIG.=C2=A0 Those folks eventually moved to ZK03 - Spit Brook Road, in = Nashua, with the other OS teams when Ultrix was created.

Sorry, old habits are hard to change.=C2=A0 Except for the= Mill itself, many, if not most, of us from the old days still refer to the= different=C2=A0DEC sites (particularly the original=C2=A0New Englands) by = their=C2=A0site code.=C2=A0 For instance, my old offices=C2=A0we= re in MR02 (Marlboro, MA) and ZK03.

Years later, the compiler team (in ZK02) was s= old twice, and they never moved=C2=A0their desk. Hence, when I later jo= ined Intel, my desk was placed in ZK02 with the compiler folks like Paul W.= In fact, when Intel finally moved us out, we realized that folks like Stev= e Hobbs had not moved his desk in 30 years.

I don't know what MK0 is either, but Bill Shannon and Sam Leffler had b= een
friends since they were both grad students here at CWRU, so I would assume<= br> they kept in touch about what they were doing.
Indeed, and having been friends with them both, I can = verify that they did.=C2=A0
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