From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 29515 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2023 15:16:27 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 26 Jan 2023 15:16:27 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59EB742485; Fri, 27 Jan 2023 01:16:20 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-vs1-f41.google.com (mail-vs1-f41.google.com [209.85.217.41]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A9FD842483 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2023 01:16:14 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-vs1-f41.google.com with SMTP id i185so2201065vsc.6 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2023 07:16:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=uY40nj3K1EA3sore0/bR2yzaXMr06rHMKlxjgUKcstw=; b=iWErNehjCTM0IQm8LKktptoP0Cgw97xhKpaaLASDjOA6zyc2nBOqJp0HWBNOB+EM6p ISMy7ayTEbR/RW/U41+qx1eQ5NRegHUlU2ik4UC+G2qhbQPEXhJaPbzLnac3AQommztF zPzRMsJuyjs1oqAol/DSGj2rvaZ0PPxeMaVvI= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=uY40nj3K1EA3sore0/bR2yzaXMr06rHMKlxjgUKcstw=; b=mLuOUt9XL78IoqrwdQ1ue78BXt9MDC4XyLfdKQZSRIWcM7QIlPt/Byc4e1shu/2HDn lfu2O3irzXdfnGb/2vkqobazH74ugP4HEuZV057AenJLyjFjedrbFsBit6sO5E3SWB8X i8tLbjIpsGPsOeORo1VqFr3T6TC7LNamMKPbJTUOXDvVgaeh0bcdlyE5zxnUnCK8hEhE ZppQtUC83d/5aVEAZOf4IK/KpiSr0i/NpEdFTJMFWbMj9POKJLThVShoXy5GS5fEaEkf ipkapjrt8FCskMTLx9ylqk/htLJ8IzOLgj+z9S+v+1RUw/rzo8x40LHRIRkteJn8mCsH LHog== X-Gm-Message-State: AFqh2kp8H8UZt4iwoUWyXLnt/PDy96bphkfqWOgXOxSZgO5yV7LHgoHj MQsT0D+gdgp5empm6AA8OZSsHBPlAxoXmKLU1GYjrd1DZblcG4RVBKo= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMrXdXsnzUfA6+uCS2o89ibhPPr8gn8oKB9T9bzN5K2YfCzl6o2lOY62m/As5AsjjJsupPW/IKCdmpp7imcVs3jwJ0s= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6102:3386:b0:3b2:a92d:a1f0 with SMTP id i6-20020a056102338600b003b2a92da1f0mr4930275vsh.46.1674746113621; Thu, 26 Jan 2023 07:15:13 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Clem Cole Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2023 10:14:47 -0500 Message-ID: To: Joseph Holsten Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000311a9c05f32c371c" Message-ID-Hash: B7VZM2S7SJFUBRJDFLYF36DMPJQTKOSG X-Message-ID-Hash: B7VZM2S7SJFUBRJDFLYF36DMPJQTKOSG X-MailFrom: clemc@ccc.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: tuhs@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Earliest UNIX Workstations? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000311a9c05f32c371c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Check out: Magnolia - The Tektronix Unix Personal Computer September 1980 This redates - Sun or Apollo, but not the Perq - a.k.a. the 'Pascalto' Magonila was done in Tek Labs and it eventually birthed Tek Workstation Division which was a complete failure, although did Tek eventually commercialized the Magnolia as the Tek 4404 -- a Smalltalk system (which you can so a web search). One of the Busines Schools (HBS I think) wrote a study about it called 'Why Skunks Don't Work." =E1=90=A7 On Wed, Jan 25, 2023 at 7:32 PM Joseph Holsten wrote: > It seems like there are bountiful articles able the decline and fall of > the UNIX workstation, but I=E2=80=99ve had a hard time finding narrative = about > workstations prior to the Stanford SUN workstation. > > * was the SUN-1 the first commercially successful product? What are the > =E2=80=9Cit depends=E2=80=9D edge cases? > * were there common recipes for proto-workstations within academic or > industrial research? What did those look like, who was involved? > * What do I really mean by workstation? Ex.gr. If an installation had a > PDP-11 with a single terminal and operator, is it not a workstation? Is i= t > the integration of display into the system that differentiates? > > -- > Joseph Holsten > http://josephholsten.com > mailto:joseph@josephholsten.com > tel:+1-360-927-7234 <(360)%20927-7234> > --000000000000311a9c05f32c371c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Check out:=C2=A0Magnolia - The Tektronix Unix Personal Computer Septem= ber 1980
This redates - Sun or Apollo, but not=C2=A0the Perq - = a.k.a. the 'Pascalto'

Magonila was done in Tek= Labs and it eventually birthed Tek Workstation=C2=A0Division which was a c= omplete failure, although did Tek eventually commercialized the Magnolia as= the Tek 4404 -- a Smalltalk system (which you can so a web search).=C2=A0 = One of the Busines=C2=A0Schools=C2=A0(HBS I think) wrote a study about it c= alled 'Why Skunks Don't Work."
3D""=E1=90=A7<= /div>
O= n Wed, Jan 25, 2023 at 7:32 PM Joseph Holsten <joseph@josephholsten.com> wrote:
It seems like = there are bountiful articles able the decline and fall of the UNIX workstat= ion, but I=E2=80=99ve had a hard time finding narrative about workstations = prior to the Stanford SUN workstation.

* was the SUN-1 t= he first commercially successful product? What are the =E2=80=9Cit depends= =E2=80=9D edge cases?
* were there common recipes for proto-works= tations within academic or industrial research? What did those look like, w= ho was involved?
* What do I really mean by workstation? Ex.gr. I= f an installation had a PDP-11 with a single terminal and operator, is it n= ot a workstation? Is it the integration of display into the system that dif= ferentiates?=C2=A0

--
--000000000000311a9c05f32c371c--