From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 10185 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2023 00:47:30 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (2600:3c01:e000:146::1) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 4 Aug 2023 00:47:30 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 653A742239; Fri, 4 Aug 2023 10:47:27 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-vs1-xe2e.google.com (mail-vs1-xe2e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e2e]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 262B542237 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2023 10:47:21 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-vs1-xe2e.google.com with SMTP id ada2fe7eead31-447684c4283so660157137.2 for ; Thu, 03 Aug 2023 17:47:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; t=1691110040; x=1691714840; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=+tbRhljWbYmri1t8nEPo/X+zuJsbotPOiZd+wHPg1gw=; b=ZIkDaZsGp3o8clBgifzupw3BaT+DBJ4Zw/hMB43OGvYE6dyRWjiU7w5r6f9JTawNRb 4o/kmH5BhwkLb+FfnqyLgp9dR/WjAqBmMBtbd0un4BC+WYvNFaCXXcTHQ1RzXqVbZiAE UBp4QC/2B9zW++RJe3nmpDCtzSbkQ+E7MTLxY= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1691110040; x=1691714840; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=+tbRhljWbYmri1t8nEPo/X+zuJsbotPOiZd+wHPg1gw=; b=O/IK4MOar18eg5fFYipkGtoi5L+Nl5498+EXyoLuQQCmDutV+SbqMMnLxwC7sH8/Ho binmowxWJC0rTXBG2j1xM57hmReU0gzUHTsKkW3gpB0SnqTtwgAVxwP5AfN/cBDAVCgB WOkWDgfRt4s5Iogl14xXVsIozM0/pQSepGraAvShIoi4pxQumdJDkq0fyFKM18PEW3hy BtTiMmGi3ZZbRXpJha6+5uZzgYXKXSONcjRHPSJygdNJWuBgo8dPynkuJKX0x6oWWVvI NPxeo5C3lNPGs8wSTkYdrxbjcbDc6pf1N1nQ2Jtp1L6yLZLObhHyR6Eg3WQs8S7GJ1YX IYXw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yy2ODVDrVloliDX8PQ1w3FJnW8rOBD7S/U3X/s5EeyiKcjux0mK iqMfDgD4iOgDGlm4AgOcZCMIzxg5ed/F4RwTtQEBIeCUAVMvokK+ X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHF+CLkceiomxW8/7sQtb8CEF47g18oNIq6r5lMIopWHjesE6srSs8KE17C9VWsdgq+SNJDaqz6tHdrit9ukdc= X-Received: by 2002:a67:f710:0:b0:444:57aa:571 with SMTP id m16-20020a67f710000000b0044457aa0571mr299037vso.15.1691110039948; Thu, 03 Aug 2023 17:47:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Clem Cole Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2023 20:47:09 -0400 Message-ID: To: Will Senn Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000035232706020e3d0a" Message-ID-Hash: K2UGOTI7WRC4WHB5YDW74XE4S52PLQNS X-Message-ID-Hash: K2UGOTI7WRC4WHB5YDW74XE4S52PLQNS X-MailFrom: clemc@ccc.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: emacs List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --00000000000035232706020e3d0a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rms did Not like. Sigh On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 8:44 PM Clem Cole wrote: > http://wiki.c2.com/?TecoEditor > > Cantrell=E2=80=99s teco was pretty fast and used a lot less resources tha= n any of > the Unix EMACS invocations. Gosling / CMU EMACS showed up in 81 on the V= ax > and is where mocklisp came from. Zimmerman EMACS may have been earlier = at > MIT but Steve sold it to CCA so it was not nearly as widespread. Noel may > know more. We got a license from CCA in =E2=80=9884 and shipped it on the= Masscomp > systems. > > Rms did like a number things gosling did and start to rewrite it. (The > defaults were different from ITS was one of his issues). He released his > version around 85. FWIW: There is still some bad blood wrt to that whol= e > path best I can tell. > > I think there were a couple of others. > > > On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 8:04 PM Will Senn wrote: > >> As a longtime user and lover of ed/ex/vi, I don't know much about emacs, >> but lately I've been using it more (as it seems like any self-respecting >> lisper, has to at least have a passing acquaintance with it). I recently >> went off and got MACLISP running in ITS. As part of that exploration, I >> used EMACS, but not just any old emacs, emacs in it's first incarnation = as >> a set of TECO macros. To me, it just seemed like EMACS. I won't bore you >> with the details - imagine lots of control and escape sequences, many of >> which are the same today as then. This was late 70's stuff. >> >> My question for the group is - when did emacs arrive in unix and was it = a >> full fledged text editor when it came or was it sitting on top of some >> other subssystem in unix? Was TECO ever on unix? >> >> >> Will >> > -- > Sent from a handheld expect more typos than usual > --=20 Sent from a handheld expect more typos than usual --00000000000035232706020e3d0a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Rms did Not like. =C2=A0 =C2=A0Sigh

On Thu, Aug 3, 20= 23 at 8:44 PM Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com<= /a>> wrote:

Cantrell=E2= =80=99s teco was pretty fast and used a lot less resources than any of the = Unix EMACS invocations.=C2=A0 Gosling / CMU EMACS showed up in 81 on the Va= x and is where mocklisp came from. =C2=A0 Zimmerman EMACS may have been ear= lier at MIT but Steve sold it to CCA so it was not nearly as widespread. No= el may know more. We got a license from CCA in =E2=80=9884 and shipped it o= n the Masscomp systems. =C2=A0=C2=A0

Rms did like a number things gosling did and start to rewrite = it. =C2=A0(The defaults were different from ITS was one of his issues). He = released his version around 85. FWIW: =C2=A0 There is still some bad blood = wrt to that whole path best I can tell. =C2=A0=C2=A0

I think there were a couple of others.=C2=A0

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As a longtime user and lover of ed/ex/vi, I don't know much about emacs, but lately I= 9;ve been using it more (as it seems like any self-respecting lisper, has to at least have a passing acquaintance with it). I recently went off and got MACLISP running in ITS. As part of that exploration, I used EMACS, but not just any old emacs, emacs in it's first incarnation as a set of TECO macros. To me, it just seemed like EMACS. I won't bore you with the details - imagine lots of control and escape sequences, many of which are the same today as then. This was late 70's stuff.

My question for the group is - when did emacs arrive in unix and was it a full fledged text editor when it came or was it sitting on top of some other subssystem in unix? Was TECO ever on unix?


Will
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