From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id cc05436d for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2020 00:21:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 694F19C20E; Wed, 22 Jan 2020 10:21:31 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 600F19C1FF; Wed, 22 Jan 2020 10:21:15 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b="RV+IgUPT"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 3D6B09C1FF; Wed, 22 Jan 2020 10:21:13 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qk1-f173.google.com (mail-qk1-f173.google.com [209.85.222.173]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 03B949C14A for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2020 10:21:10 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qk1-f173.google.com with SMTP id r14so4691947qke.13 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2020 16:21:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=++qWIb7wqiagkkEfEhxauXLN/ZN9jYdJ9N5aCSXBTHk=; b=RV+IgUPTkCq3UJbTjv1G16V+fWdTN0UF+KI3Lqk0MO68lsY2t254Wtnmda+Ln27c8q N1VqAcc3ZodhBS3axIe6G/uCf8PTr/bJI8k89J+bTQRu0E9JJU8HOBHyIu8EEHmU1DkO r7ebNePkrtsVDu80sbptVxem8RAraWnFcDN0I= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=++qWIb7wqiagkkEfEhxauXLN/ZN9jYdJ9N5aCSXBTHk=; b=AaNLC7D6KM16bfG5PQ37sj3WNPA712/l6sF54n+vheKOzn5QRx8d3UH9ZW94LE4X5M Ea9VrNjALiyOdSzYxDFSyqE7kS9OBPiaLMescToPl2FcsYSHgEXQwk9TDPbow4uqXmuH NR075io9oDqFYy8OQCWp2gPsGVs+bEN8nPC6okDd3cBXq1m8xx7/srb7siPsUjQPFAel 3A43inmYmCs7/MvTXDVVzV51So70Ke9aotAdRmPczBXH3XdhWdRSkDFC1YPEStsTBgAX 4EPOi80R8tpKWXUZuJSioo0eO5OdgFvOULCGcLa8eQG/hC0Z2s1SLp7n3WqeA93BkXPP nPsw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUZTdDxDIRKd2+KqcxTA7v6rc2ecdtiutXj3rpabPgGZ+GwNxNf 0gx4cb6vU8hPfnsS19tsmX94s5Ml97qcFZHp8TL7lg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwBP5Y8TKmvd5fgWNZSYHda9YaHpxNTvqi5CBItTO/sVBt/hkP0KHno1u8M2cGVR4NWJjP+QC0sabraG4HSa+M= X-Received: by 2002:a37:48f:: with SMTP id 137mr7496818qke.25.1579652468857; Tue, 21 Jan 2020 16:21:08 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200121230025.GL15860@mit.edu> In-Reply-To: <20200121230025.GL15860@mit.edu> From: Clem Cole Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2020 19:20:57 -0500 Message-ID: To: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000467070059caf80b9" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Apollo Domain/OS X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000467070059caf80b9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Ted point taken. As I was driving home tonight I thought about both DCE and UUIDs. The later is clearly important and we do owe the guys in Chelmsford a great thank you for that one. But the registry ... really now. On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 6:00 PM Theodore Y. Ts'o wrote: > On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 05:36:57PM -0500, Clem Cole wrote: > > > A lot of what we take for granted today in distributed computing came > via > > > Apollo more than anywhere else, as Apollo users and alumni took what > they > > > learned to other systems. > > > > Anyway, we (as a community) are better for having that system but other > > than the registry, I can think of little actual technology that we > continue > > to use from Aegis. > > The OSF/DCE's RPC system came from Apollo, as does the predecessor for > the UUID layout still in use today (RFC 4122). Paul Leach brought > both to the OSF, and as the Kerberos V5 Tech Lead, I worked with Paul, > and used an early Internet-Draft spec of the OSF UUID and implemented > it in e2fsprogs for labelling ext2/3/4 superblocks, and from there the > infection vector spread to the GNOME project. When Paul brought both > of those technologies to Microsoft when he went there after OSF went > belly up. > > - Ted > -- Sent from a handheld expect more typos than usual --000000000000467070059caf80b9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ted point taken. As I was driving home tonight I tho= ught about both DCE and UUIDs.=C2=A0 The later is clearly important and we = do owe the guys in Chelmsford a great thank you for that one.=C2=A0 But the= registry ... =C2=A0really now. =C2=A0=C2=A0

On Tue, Jan 21, 2020= at 6:00 PM Theodore Y. Ts'o <tytso= @mit.edu> wrote:
On Tue, Jan= 21, 2020 at 05:36:57PM -0500, Clem Cole wrote:
> > A lot of what we take for granted today in distributed computing = came via
> > Apollo more than anywhere else, as Apollo users and alumni took w= hat they
> > learned to other systems.
>
> Anyway, we (as a community) are better for having that system but othe= r
> than the registry, I can think of little actual technology that we con= tinue
> to use from Aegis.

The OSF/DCE's RPC system came from Apollo, as does the predecessor for<= br> the UUID layout still in use today (RFC 4122).=C2=A0 Paul Leach brought
both to the OSF, and as the Kerberos V5 Tech Lead, I worked with Paul,
and used an early Internet-Draft spec of the OSF UUID and implemented
it in e2fsprogs for labelling ext2/3/4 superblocks, and from there the
infection vector spread to the GNOME project.=C2=A0 When Paul brought both<= br> of those technologies to Microsoft when he went there after OSF went
belly up.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0- Ted
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Sent from a handheld expect more typos t= han usual
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