From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id a8d35e81 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2018 14:24:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id B2429A2087; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 00:24:47 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2F0A94A37; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 00:24:01 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 6B1AB9E882; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 00:23:54 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-wm1-f45.google.com (mail-wm1-f45.google.com [209.85.128.45]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 55AAA94A37 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 00:23:48 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-wm1-f45.google.com with SMTP id c126so9504734wmh.0 for ; Tue, 04 Dec 2018 06:23:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=ybJqKiMJlm7ZfTYXL+QCZ98JDuqQakRndZQZY6JTT7M=; b=aPzt+UQPY9pW1f0QURcjVRObJ+ZNJQFUEocyWWRpF9FlEgZcnlLUm5aBvnvoKgnpiI FXkYy0lC2nrxId0yTfQt7fJ0RtkF4nyHSaVT4W/DPoHSelzwcPDWttCow/cAZxbXOE+p +cHRA8Tcl3puXn3YrlS1wZ1xG+iTkAwFWGLb8= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ybJqKiMJlm7ZfTYXL+QCZ98JDuqQakRndZQZY6JTT7M=; b=gzWTJKWxcnvu+sIgySgpWbtgP1qqXX7g5Lck3aWMTqBMDbh5hzaq2Cse+WkbsY/0iy IMAlwZs1EtJLNMQnalSkAP4bLmXn5i2KQIOvimMJzVTAWZzHETCgorfBdQBpvG57LHV1 D6W1on/q8Ow/ChEWCzjQR9aGBqX5iR715c72wLlhQ30rC7t+UprAi3Wdz1toGdThHAQu q8SHeqiuX0rrTSr2Qlh1OctKASqwB4Ka6J73oZmEnAXW4Fb+72lohR7aHbFSvipk+UMc +eZh3IxaoNrRbfXtVTYkMTH469BfndX9XpUrsOVU43XMfdNUrlT3z0edCuVRxvgfBrOm +mzw== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWYKsAGkgI2ed7A5+dQsrbGBEHtGiXMaiyxzVF7HgGlnjYtTbXZj h+WPxj4kQzJ7iZHC1UBVeg+bjEYYPOy0EUFcuyuUyw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/X8jR/X7ZvTkBZEJL0cwhNTB9FH7gde5c5GAW/cf+rQk6kKZ/1uBrDDAb3gwJL9EXSXsKxxtfkf+zOR1nN4aOg= X-Received: by 2002:a1c:1383:: with SMTP id 125mr2875140wmt.71.1543933426640; Tue, 04 Dec 2018 06:23:46 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Clem Cole Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2018 09:23:20 -0500 Message-ID: To: Tony Finch Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000073c1ea057c3303a7" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Happy birthday, John Backus! X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --00000000000073c1ea057c3303a7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As I said, I'm an OS type, I just sit near a number of compiler folks and have been known to eat lunch with them - so I'm not aware of any that. Unfortunately, about a month ago we lost the guy to ask about it (the late Stan Whitlock), who was secretary of the Fortran standards committee for about 30 years. I'll try to ask Eklund and Grove (who are both retired but I still see socially on occasion) what they remember about F and if I learn anything I'll pass it back here. Clem =E1=90=A7 On Tue, Dec 4, 2018 at 6:53 AM Tony Finch wrote: > Clem Cole wrote: > > > Fortran2018 (which was release just last week BTW) is hardly the > language I > > learned in the early 1970s (Fortran-IV) or my father a dozen or so year= s > > previous to me. > > One of the more obscure books I have is about "the F programming language= " > http://www.fortran.com/F/ which is the modern subset of Fortran 95. A > curious thing about F is that it doesn't include DO WHILE; my > understanding is that there was a faction of the Fortran standardization > committee which was firmly against WHILE, and that was the faction that > defined the F subset. > > I can't now find any information about this argument / controversy, but m= y > link archive includes https://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?doid=3D800168.81154= 5 > Brenda Baker's paper on converting Fortran IV programs to ratfor. > > Tony. > -- > f.anthony.n.finch http://dotat.at/ > Irish Sea: Southwest 5, backing east, then becoming cyclonic later, 5 to = 7, > perhaps gale 8 later. Slight or moderate, occasionally rough later. Rain = or > showers. Good, occasionally poor. > --00000000000073c1ea057c3303a7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As I said, I'm an OS type, I just sit near a number= of compiler folks and have been known to eat lunch with them - so I'm = not aware of any that.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Unfortunately, about a month ago we los= t the guy to ask about it (the late Stan Whitlock), who was secretary of th= e Fortran standards committee for about 30 years.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I'll try = to ask Eklund and Grove (who are both retired but I still see socially on o= ccasion) what they remember about F and if I learn anything I'll pass i= t back here.

Clem


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O= n Tue, Dec 4, 2018 at 6:53 AM Tony Finch <dot@dotat.at> wrote:
Clem = Cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote:

> Fortran2018 (which was release just last week BTW) is hardly the langu= age I
> learned in the early 1970s (Fortran-IV) or my father a dozen or so yea= rs
> previous to me.

One of the more obscure books I have is about "the F programming langu= age"
= http://www.fortran.com/F/ which is the modern subset of Fortran 95. A curious thing about F is that it doesn't include DO WHILE; my
understanding is that there was a faction of the Fortran standardization committee which was firmly against WHILE, and that was the faction that
defined the F subset.

I can't now find any information about this argument / controversy, but= my
link archive includes https://dl.acm.org/citatio= n.cfm?doid=3D800168.811545
Brenda Baker's paper on converting Fortran IV programs to ratfor.

Tony.
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f.anthony.n.finch=C2=A0 <dot@dotat.at>=C2=A0 http://dotat.at/
Irish Sea: Southwest 5, backing east, then becoming cyclonic later, 5 to 7,=
perhaps gale 8 later. Slight or moderate, occasionally rough later. Rain or=
showers. Good, occasionally poor.
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