From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 49b45738 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 21:59:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 97B09940F6; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 07:59:38 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96E7E94BAE; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 07:59:27 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id C7B9294049; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 07:25:50 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-wm1-f67.google.com (mail-wm1-f67.google.com [209.85.128.67]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E403C9404B for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 07:25:44 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-wm1-f67.google.com with SMTP id a8-v6so4910009wmf.1 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 14:25:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=EM0GBk7zvH4eVktDlCRzIEkhHWZaRyKKFVPAkRWEL0o=; b=rd8KdnGMM6+nnnsUf8zNk0wXCI4kwRTRy2qXSFpAbU9RFruio5jfuleDzPFeT2dfQX DnN90bar5TAy88Zgsq7Pyy8mqcFQa4jMr0xVZBIak+/pNmjv/LTezw2cEPeAQ5v7K9gM Gr5DMOvdRLJ4u9P4Tx8wBE+menR+3TSb3u2EU= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=EM0GBk7zvH4eVktDlCRzIEkhHWZaRyKKFVPAkRWEL0o=; b=M13lrvt0zHhrlPkCY1o1Jr7M37OQ0qg+jT7a9rehyPzgcx2qmD2+6lK5HJOllxBouw +yPFaGDPl2bc6xl7dZKz9InvcDV32uhSkUsMCMcfjqAHdReeyAAAbGGz6sd62vILJfOH nPyszcsdzXObgpjrc37T5SEFdvekHrxkRvhbFsCGM67GVUQuLwfiAfdVUtFLPT6R/5OE J+NQwHUIjjM76YuQB6Y0QwUAvjvAdCM5vxWb0YLv6o+2NibxgYROM35VyCqb320naNkX SPMPu2p7Om2vywdYmhFrF1VXAN/FHGEWdxf1vlesooUggxvabnMhJ+XqPDMc9GBLUqem O7vA== X-Gm-Message-State: ABuFfohzbmWIFozo4DL9l/JJ5ai1JwZ3X4Et2NWsMwQudsTQ5lAhEL1n ZhBpnfe28j05AQgFCijtF1lxS8LypHp8TVNyVAiXzg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACcGV62yoHsrRKrw/kWHAVd7mUZ9OHZKHLn3YW5DE4pGqk9mIXumPJG4TzalhJL0hY9T3bsfeXei/4nUBL4Rg4+fZTQ= X-Received: by 2002:a1c:32ca:: with SMTP id y193-v6mr6332682wmy.29.1539984343080; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 14:25:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9f76d002-1530-4745-8fb6-2dba1baf36ce@SG2APC01FT042.eop-APC01.prod.protection.outlook.com> In-Reply-To: <9f76d002-1530-4745-8fb6-2dba1baf36ce@SG2APC01FT042.eop-APC01.prod.protection.outlook.com> From: Clem Cole Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 16:25:16 -0500 Message-ID: To: Jason Stevens Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000babc4305789b8b95" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Anyone have any luck trying to contact Micro Focus regarding Unix licensing? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000babc4305789b8b95 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 10:57 AM wrote: > I know after the whole SCO personal licenses and then Ransom Loves=E2=80= =99s > making 32v and all prior open was great but apparently it wasn=E2=80=99t = his to > give away. Or am I wrong? > Sigh ... Yes... Where did you hear this? On second thought, I really I don't want to know... Whomever is spreading that information is tad uninformed and really does understand what happened. Simply put, the AT&T case made it clear, *the technology has been published= *. The issue is closed. It is 'open' - free - 'libre.' It's all public information and has been and was required to be by the US Courts in the AT&T / USL vs UCB/BSDi law suit. It's really not an interesting argument at this point. The US courts made is clear, * AT&T was required to make the barn doors open, and horses left the barn.* This is why >>Novell<< released the implementation (i.e. source code) and* it was Novell's to make available - which again the US courts have already determined. * All of this has been discussed here and elsewhere and really does not need to be rehashed (please). * In fact, *I wrote and published a very long paper about how UNIX can to be. The presentation of same can be seen and the paper downloaded: http://technique-societe.cnam.fr/colloque-international-unix-en-france-et-a= ux-etats-unis-innovation-diffusion-et-appropriation--945215.kjsp Clem =E1=90=A7 --000000000000babc4305789b8b95 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 10:57 AM <jsteve@superglobalmegacorp.com> wrot= e:

I know after the whole SCO personal licenses and then Ransom Lov= es=E2=80=99s making 32v and all prior open was great but apparently it wasn= =E2=80=99t his to give away.=C2=A0 Or am I wrong?

Sigh ...=C2=A0 Yes...=C2=A0 =C2=A0Where did you hear this?= =C2=A0 =C2=A0On second thought, I really I don't want to know...=C2=A0 = Whomever is spreading that information is tad uninformed and really does un= derstand what happened.

Simp= ly put, the AT&T case made it clear, the technology has been publish= ed.=C2=A0 =C2=A0The issue is closed.=C2=A0 It is 'open' - free = - 'libre.'=C2=A0 It's all public information=C2=A0an= d has been and was required to be by the US Courts in the AT&T / USL vs= UCB/BSDi law suit.=C2=A0 =C2=A0It's really not an interesting argument= at this point.=C2=A0The US courts made is clear,=C2=A0 AT&T was r= equired to make the barn doors open, and=C2=A0horses left the barn.

This is why &= gt;>Novell<< released the implementation (i.e. source code) and= it was Novell's to make available - which again the US courts have alr= eady determined.=C2=A0

A= ll of this has been discussed here and elsewhere and really does not need t= o be rehashed (please).=C2=A0 =C2=A0In fact,=C2=A0I wrote and published a very lo= ng paper about how UNIX can to be.=C2=A0 =C2=A0The presentation of same= can be seen and the paper downloaded:=C2=A0http://technique-societe.cnam.fr/colloque-inte= rnational-unix-en-france-et-aux-etats-unis-innovation-diffusion-et-appropri= ation--945215.kjsp=C2=A0

Clem

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