From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 1d5cdc72 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2019 22:46:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 1DBFF9B7F7; Sat, 13 Jul 2019 08:46:14 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AB919B7A0; Sat, 13 Jul 2019 08:45:44 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b="bXA9+oGK"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 23B559B7A0; Sat, 13 Jul 2019 08:45:42 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-wm1-f44.google.com (mail-wm1-f44.google.com [209.85.128.44]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 727E19B729 for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2019 08:45:41 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-wm1-f44.google.com with SMTP id z23so6023628wma.4 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2019 15:45:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=BflxF+Uan7FL/oYUZg5XnYMKoxeiJPhmr6LvwStK+ig=; b=bXA9+oGK0HZnjWkkcEYOyY3jHVs3vJYd2stYClhjgiJVY3gxhT1FiluJi4YU14bol8 YYwPM5rvaD4+7XvyPZn33qTUUWV4cLqfLK+DEp+Mqe4DlC5Nn46ijP1sJYScz9cmKmei YCsO+U2egqHBgZ1l8rug20v6xRNCQCQZ0865E= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=BflxF+Uan7FL/oYUZg5XnYMKoxeiJPhmr6LvwStK+ig=; b=hC6pOMEdD3a7+zF7NNEVlKLLPyhiXWewsLnC/HxNZV5j11BNw/QFetTNz/TkgPdJdA yDCb9SypmHd19gTNYZbQIZabQGtGWWMicl5+rWQrHIuSPQhiRyJe3Bvk8YfOSwLdP1zJ VOEa/0bfWj1iGzW5PUhKZEZPsO0IPwiNnS9mVbKSCDBCZJpXenXB1ohOfiSL3BTCQApC vml8WQpNYASEt1T6HZb8psLZMp5i6TQrtpPtf//+BcIrD1XgT0zOxBYLAGkl7NANKtus J5ur1l8bjSDvtpG//zH5SzTmvJ1XM7m73nv03z5bGSjapXYBSlMrTpPXZRQj6BcPzEkW 88mg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUymUjmPQKhomj0I19nRtaaZpLl5zMI+rdVbD6gIzLNzfJ2tS6I gPUfws8t7x4wnLWi99lxX70d6hZDJhzxkktGPD+jQw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxDBL1Uf9yYimRw1oAAtmH2SRPM67nKrNEQwRhGnnVylFHIFeQB5cv8hR/Ya05vNkgTZQI8chZa4W3cduzW/w8= X-Received: by 2002:a1c:2015:: with SMTP id g21mr11093401wmg.33.1562971539667; Fri, 12 Jul 2019 15:45:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <27f401d53834$51101140$f33033c0$@ronnatalie.com> <07dffb4b-d9d7-c33d-d0e6-5c26fa0ce6e5@solar.stanford.edu> <3f4400b9-a243-d86a-11a6-473f0e93adea@solar.stanford.edu> In-Reply-To: <3f4400b9-a243-d86a-11a6-473f0e93adea@solar.stanford.edu> From: Clem Cole Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 15:45:28 -0700 Message-ID: To: Deborah Scherrer Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000006a9482058d83abdb" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Interactive Systems (was Pcc for 386) X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --0000000000006a9482058d83abdb Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" If I recall this was one of the implementations that wrote to a file and then forked the next process after it got to eof. On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 2:44 PM Deborah Scherrer < dscherrer@solar.stanford.edu> wrote: > I didn't do this port, so don't know the details. But it was done in > the late 70s (I think) and had broad distribution. When I collected > various Software Tools versions, I was not able to find the VMS one. Sorry. > Deborah > > On 7/12/19 1:45 PM, Paul Winalski wrote: > > On 7/12/19, Deborah Scherrer wrote: > >> There was also an extensive port of the Software Tools to VMS, done by > >> Joe Sventek at LBNL. Included at the key tools, the shell, pipes, > >> everything. Felt completely like Unix. > > How did the LBNL Software Tools for VMS implement pipes? I'm curious > > because DEC itself did a product in the mid-1980s called DEC Shell > > that was a VMS port of the Bourne shell and associated utilities. I > > wrote a VMS device driver that implemented pipes as a true VMS > > pseudo-device, similar to VMS mailboxes but with true Unix pipe > > semantics. > > > > -Paul W. > > -- Sent from a handheld expect more typos than usual --0000000000006a9482058d83abdb Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If I recall this was one of the implementations that= wrote to a file and then forked the next process after it got to eof. =C2= =A0 =C2=A0

On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 2:44 PM Deborah Scherrer <<= a href=3D"mailto:dscherrer@solar.stanford.edu">dscherrer@solar.stanford.edu= > wrote:
I didn't do thi= s port, so don't know the details.=C2=A0 But it was done in
the late 70s (I think) and had broad distribution.=C2=A0 When I collected <= br> various Software Tools versions, I was not able to find the VMS one. Sorry.=
Deborah

On 7/12/19 1:45 PM, Paul Winalski wrote:
> On 7/12/19, Deborah Scherrer <dscherrer@solar.stanford.edu> wrote: >> There was also an extensive port of the Software Tools to VMS, don= e by
>> Joe Sventek at LBNL.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Included at the key tools, the sh= ell, pipes,
>> everything.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Felt completely like Unix.
> How did the LBNL Software Tools for VMS implement pipes?=C2=A0 I'm= curious
> because DEC itself did a product in the mid-1980s called DEC Shell
> that was a VMS port of the Bourne shell and associated utilities.=C2= =A0 I
> wrote a VMS device driver that implemented pipes as a true VMS
> pseudo-device, similar to VMS mailboxes but with true Unix pipe
> semantics.
>
> -Paul W.

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