From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id c6e3df9a for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2020 16:19:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 801119CC16; Thu, 6 Feb 2020 02:19:40 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 468EE9CC07; Thu, 6 Feb 2020 02:19:28 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b="M1ZvuKGv"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 260079CC07; Thu, 6 Feb 2020 02:19:27 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qk1-f181.google.com (mail-qk1-f181.google.com [209.85.222.181]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 74A819CB14 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2020 02:19:26 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qk1-f181.google.com with SMTP id g3so2393848qka.1 for ; Wed, 05 Feb 2020 08:19:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=gWuOQ0d0itY9zPy6WNDYbbPW9846b9fPTIjJM/+NLb4=; b=M1ZvuKGvZYE7elCTcfyDLWKJM1bq9rCj6KodWNU7gCxa6qbR+2VF79yfHFcWJwpJwW CS/EmMWUK2vgUBEwFip5/yWjTTjQzxSv7z5tsY3ALCAgiQAfn716zVYGuUG2bfEmRsim 1S/FpyeHwJOxO/1LYr0oNCRMfAiYDRYQEbito= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=gWuOQ0d0itY9zPy6WNDYbbPW9846b9fPTIjJM/+NLb4=; b=N79aAjoxgsSz7px+EtN9CPcl3SLe5oTlVYMQ/hdBvi+R3Dce6LyvvKC/4MjesKfqsU ljdhBX6Wd+AdLi7HhKDdpISg959Mk7WP/V/jhbZz42T/Pl5Jf95XH+WXG4kVtNW341tK mK7RNCyMFaXQKym6JQJksTfTOH/JzZ/HeZ7RU50FRs8JztY+9XHWDMLIoFxMTlpR6pYu U4Tevo/05vlmoLGPv8zbBqV5DkebThfNL2vUW+P0Ust5cEjL0tuXvl0l7bBgGf2orgVL Hz98LRubDQtt9vhaXHZ3EPWOZDbYFT8dOd7IIwr/9SMpWjEG9bQWioo5VljpCaLLSOBj voIg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWForNnFOnbgD4dDGAGTSddLvKYIzv7ee/7f/iBQcpEzbeyFgIa 8/ixlg103qFXEXht51NjcRyG1jxFX5Iz41j8FCAO5w== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzjk6TSxntpQwzFB4mkgYJeYc4lJYdra5OGVh5CgTUIqLBeqguPu6ntsANHHVrLVWqG4Y5ibKqymwxhRFJkUG0= X-Received: by 2002:a37:6346:: with SMTP id x67mr34282305qkb.476.1580919565536; Wed, 05 Feb 2020 08:19:25 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1FE9FA5C-9802-4DAB-9814-3D15BBA2D10E@xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: From: Clem Cole Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 11:18:59 -0500 Message-ID: To: "John P. Linderman" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000001f66b1059dd68574" Subject: Re: [TUHS] keyboards and command names X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --0000000000001f66b1059dd68574 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" even at 120 cps, i agree. On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 10:47 AM John P. Linderman wrote: > I of course defer to dmr about the major influence, but I very much > appreciated the brevity when printing programs and shell scripts and lines > in ed at 110 baud, even with a terminal having a respectable keyboard. I > printed much more than I entered. > > On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 10:38 AM Jaap Akkerhuis wrote: > >> >> >> > I have always suspected that the brevity of the Unix command names was >> strongly >> > influenced by the clunky keyboards on the teletypes that were being >> used. Can >> > anyone confirm, deny, and/or comment on this? >> >> Peter Collinson made the same observation at the 25th year celebration >> of UNIX (USENIX, Washington) and it was confirmed by dmr. >> >> jaap >> >> --0000000000001f66b1059dd68574 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
even at 120 cps, i agree.=C2=A0 =C2=A0

<= div class=3D"gmail_quote">
On Wed, Feb= 5, 2020 at 10:47 AM John P. Linderman <jpl.jpl@gmail.com> wrote:
I of course defer to dmr about= the major influence, but I very much appreciated the brevity when printing= programs and shell scripts and lines in ed at 110 baud, even with a termin= al having a respectable keyboard.=C2=A0 I printed much more than I entered.=

On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 10:38 AM Jaap Akkerhuis <jaapna@xs4all.nl> wrote:


> I have always suspected that the brevity of the Unix command names was= strongly
> influenced by the clunky keyboards on the teletypes that were being us= ed.=C2=A0 Can
> anyone confirm, deny, and/or comment on this?

Peter Collinson made the same observation at the 25th year celebration
of UNIX (USENIX, Washington) and it was confirmed by dmr.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 jaap

--0000000000001f66b1059dd68574--