From: Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com>
To: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" <grog@lemis.com>
Cc: Alan Coopersmith <alan.coopersmith@oracle.com>,
Marc Rochkind <mrochkind@gmail.com>,
tuhs@tuhs.org
Subject: [TUHS] Re: Origin of the name POSIX (was: ANSI (C) vs IEEE (POSIX) Standards Body Selection)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2024 23:08:21 -0400 [thread overview]
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One other thought. Given the formal process that IEEE required us to use
for proposals and making additions/corrections - really have a hard time
imagining rms being willing to have put up with those processes or frankly
the rest of the committee putting up with him in general. It takes a
special type of person that can compromise to be a part of a group like
that. Rms is not cut out of that cloth.
Sent from a handheld expect more typos than usual
On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 11:02 PM Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote:
> FWIW: it is possible rms sent in comments and offered thoughts that we had
> to handle. He may consider that as partition. He might have even been at
> later .2 meetings after I stopped coming. But he was not at any .1
> meetings and the name was created during that time by Jim Isaak IIRC.
>
> FWIW Keith Bostics was at some of the .2 meetings Keith might haven there
> when we got .1 to the stage and when started the .2 work. I was part of
> all off .1 and an early draft of .2. Keith and I wrote the proposal that
> became pax after I demonstrated tpio my hack to splice a cpio front end to
> tar (I never wrote car). A few meetings later we got the first draft of .2
> out and was pretty much done at that point.
>
> So if rms joined then it’s possible but the standard was in the oven
> before he might have done anything. And since we travelled to different
> sites for the meetings and he did not have a firm to cover his travel
> costs, I would very surprised he was at many later ones either.
>
>
> Sent from a handheld expect more typos than usual
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 10:46 PM Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote:
>
>> Garbage. Rms was never at any early IEEE meeting that I was at - you
>> could smell him a mile away as he rarely bathed. I certainly knew him in
>> those days. I also have an early draft with all participants named and he
>> is not one of them!!
>>
>> Sent from a handheld expect more typos than usual
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 9:11 PM Greg 'groggy' Lehey <grog@lemis.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, 26 June 2024 at 20:44:12 -0400, Clem Cole wrote:
>>> > rms had nothing to do with the name posix. I have no idea where that
>>> > comment came from.
>>>
>>> At the very least, from rms himself:
>>> https://stallman.org/articles/posix.html
>>> There's a reference to this page in the Wikipedia page on POSIX.
>>>
>>> > The p1003 committee for Ieee was the portable operating system
>>> standard and
>>> > at the time adding ix was the norm. POSIX became the term we all used
>>> to
>>> > refer to the work we doing. Rms was not involved in any way
>>>
>>> rms suggests that he was involved in the committee? Not true? Maybe
>>> a different, related committee?
>>>
>>> Greg
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>>
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Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-06-26 17:56 [TUHS] ANSI (C) vs IEEE (POSIX) Standards Body Selection segaloco via TUHS
2024-06-26 18:32 ` [TUHS] " Ori Idan
2024-06-26 18:42 ` Marc Rochkind
2024-06-26 20:07 ` Aron Insinga
2024-06-26 23:28 ` Peter Yardley
2024-06-26 18:35 ` Marc Rochkind
2024-06-26 18:43 ` James Johnston
2024-06-26 18:52 ` segaloco via TUHS
2024-06-26 19:34 ` Heinz Lycklama
2024-06-26 20:01 ` Charles H Sauer (he/him)
2024-06-27 2:36 ` [TUHS] Re: arithmetic, " John Levine
2024-06-27 3:41 ` Charles H. Sauer
2024-06-26 20:29 ` [TUHS] " Marc Rochkind
2024-06-26 21:17 ` Rich Salz
2024-06-26 21:20 ` Alan Coopersmith via TUHS
2024-06-26 21:28 ` Warner Losh
2024-06-26 21:49 ` Rich Salz
2024-06-26 21:53 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2024-06-27 0:44 ` Clem Cole
2024-06-27 1:11 ` [TUHS] Origin of the name POSIX (was: ANSI (C) vs IEEE (POSIX) Standards Body Selection) Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2024-06-27 2:12 ` [TUHS] " Ron Natalie
2024-06-27 2:37 ` Warner Losh
2024-06-27 14:19 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
[not found] ` <CAC20D2M+75ohjTPcTBmBkejeaWjQQjWCkf=4ZYrP4Bk0MCamKA@mail.gmail.com>
2024-06-27 3:02 ` Clem Cole
2024-06-27 3:03 ` Clem Cole
2024-06-27 3:08 ` Clem Cole [this message]
2024-06-27 8:20 ` Eric E. Bowles via TUHS
2024-06-27 11:56 ` John S Quarterman
[not found] ` <CAEoi9W4ZSVCVsJJ8pdBuBobeeXOkwsey0kM6DWBnPiuSd_7TQA@mail.gmail.com>
[not found] ` <CANCZdfoghuf4n=HDgRJXDJ5VqZ=rCtmq_0WadaR6kj8QmcoVQQ@mail.gmail.com>
2024-06-27 13:42 ` John S Quarterman
2024-06-27 11:58 ` Dan Cross
2024-06-27 14:34 ` Clem Cole
2024-06-27 15:05 ` [TUHS] Re: Origin of the name POSIX Heinz Lycklama
2024-06-27 13:57 ` [TUHS] Re: ANSI (C) vs IEEE (POSIX) Standards Body Selection Steffen Nurpmeso
2024-06-27 14:22 ` Chet Ramey via TUHS
2024-06-27 14:29 ` Andy Kosela
2024-06-27 14:59 ` Clem Cole
2024-06-27 4:12 ` Wesley Parish
2024-06-27 4:52 ` G. Branden Robinson
2024-06-26 19:47 ` Aron Insinga
2024-06-27 5:02 ` Nevin Liber
2024-06-26 20:36 ` Stuff Received
2024-06-26 22:33 ` James Johnston
2024-06-26 20:32 ` Clem Cole
2024-06-26 22:04 ` Heinz Lycklama
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