From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [50.116.15.146]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4A9D21624 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2024 05:08:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 675A843AAF; Thu, 27 Jun 2024 13:08:39 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-ua1-x929.google.com (mail-ua1-x929.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::929]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4075E43A9B for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2024 13:08:33 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-ua1-x929.google.com with SMTP id a1e0cc1a2514c-80f4fc0f0aeso1895788241.0 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2024 20:08:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; t=1719457712; x=1720062512; darn=tuhs.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=sl6QWJemalzejba7TimU7JUIRG2JrCre5gpGuoXmTW4=; b=GFAN4VJa7LxGDSAGffpiZRqv4b7lYm7hvdAD8IhH9FInhaCHht17cgvgo63YQh32pE xakR/RoY7PREakAkoJSLj3ujpSYwtsLjHloNFs6hCLeMApByrmLWF6IWP/7rrqCXewXf HHPyCJzu2yjz9Yma/nkW7v6ywOwldxkflBzVA= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1719457712; x=1720062512; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=sl6QWJemalzejba7TimU7JUIRG2JrCre5gpGuoXmTW4=; b=RpaUHHBG+u/TQtv4mHPtoJWcp0FuoMfMesVFBlCo8pOkr+XRbXggnpg7576zYvVBgc uRrxjuSD5q9vmxiUH54AxJPMwVBOEvV4/sRPCdyM/pFJiTfK4IZgJUuPmHvuMHNs9DvG 24t7QPAg86ZkDNsoN+/XZPPRxQBx2nkrx896LZJhddLmZa//3ntWyMiB7zqd7hLpYUOR xNeklEQDiNRBB6JIsCij46wwTWhjKxzsWprtJJ8kaVBUtNaNgauWYnAb06i2CHfvem66 MT3IHguRw/p6ER/YseV/WdjCZpVS585uaYOqJbmh+gcOFH/RSsRlqvLpMSglKB/XHBEO b8Rg== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCXNPPBF+jZ+/esBtlAUq6pQ5d2flKv9BcYPPtMA9faQ++0HhoFDv/CTzVCuf327KtydbloWzTDNFf05/ADp X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yz8QfMyc48zzPdbYRn6qOZGmvbK9NcAns6T7QDkpu0idzQ5cXZF NWr+PsXjXDLRTK3w/6HVRJCRLEYvFASGQwjY1Q937ORBJMLHzioH7Q11FnFEX1TirOW11tfkmbi 4OrtdG6zMU5gnQTECTVeHb72lZJcUlTOX6hiN X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHTvgswJMRZ98QVPgNZWrm63uj2E3Nm9PNNOhqn3vAQ6siodhy4oKgmAoGqX9ZZa55Zp6rpOlM+YoQWl5hI2Zo= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6102:3114:b0:48f:4e54:9a22 with SMTP id ada2fe7eead31-48f52bd41a4mr10121740137.29.1719457712250; Wed, 26 Jun 2024 20:08:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20240626215309.XWtuefzk@steffen%sdaoden.eu> In-Reply-To: From: Clem Cole Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2024 23:08:21 -0400 Message-ID: To: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000253dbf061bd672ee" Message-ID-Hash: G4L33AMHSJBN5U6F6E2HYHPIVTS42IVQ X-Message-ID-Hash: G4L33AMHSJBN5U6F6E2HYHPIVTS42IVQ X-MailFrom: clemc@ccc.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: Alan Coopersmith , Marc Rochkind , tuhs@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Origin of the name POSIX (was: ANSI (C) vs IEEE (POSIX) Standards Body Selection) List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000253dbf061bd672ee Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One other thought. Given the formal process that IEEE required us to use for proposals and making additions/corrections - really have a hard time imagining rms being willing to have put up with those processes or frankly the rest of the committee putting up with him in general. It takes a special type of person that can compromise to be a part of a group like that. Rms is not cut out of that cloth. Sent from a handheld expect more typos than usual On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 11:02=E2=80=AFPM Clem Cole wrote: > FWIW: it is possible rms sent in comments and offered thoughts that we ha= d > to handle. He may consider that as partition. He might have even been a= t > later .2 meetings after I stopped coming. But he was not at any .1 > meetings and the name was created during that time by Jim Isaak IIRC. > > FWIW Keith Bostics was at some of the .2 meetings Keith might haven there > when we got .1 to the stage and when started the .2 work. I was part of > all off .1 and an early draft of .2. Keith and I wrote the proposal that > became pax after I demonstrated tpio my hack to splice a cpio front end t= o > tar (I never wrote car). A few meetings later we got the first draft of = .2 > out and was pretty much done at that point. > > So if rms joined then it=E2=80=99s possible but the standard was in the o= ven > before he might have done anything. And since we travelled to different > sites for the meetings and he did not have a firm to cover his travel > costs, I would very surprised he was at many later ones either. > > > Sent from a handheld expect more typos than usual > > > On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 10:46=E2=80=AFPM Clem Cole wrote: > >> Garbage. Rms was never at any early IEEE meeting that I was at - you >> could smell him a mile away as he rarely bathed. I certainly knew him i= n >> those days. I also have an early draft with all participants named and = he >> is not one of them!! >> >> Sent from a handheld expect more typos than usual >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 9:11=E2=80=AFPM Greg 'groggy' Lehey >> wrote: >> >>> On Wednesday, 26 June 2024 at 20:44:12 -0400, Clem Cole wrote: >>> > rms had nothing to do with the name posix. I have no idea where that >>> > comment came from. >>> >>> At the very least, from rms himself: >>> https://stallman.org/articles/posix.html >>> There's a reference to this page in the Wikipedia page on POSIX. >>> >>> > The p1003 committee for Ieee was the portable operating system >>> standard and >>> > at the time adding ix was the norm. POSIX became the term we all use= d >>> to >>> > refer to the work we doing. Rms was not involved in any way >>> >>> rms suggests that he was involved in the committee? Not true? Maybe >>> a different, related committee? >>> >>> Greg >>> -- >>> Sent from my desktop computer. >>> Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key. >>> See complete headers for address and phone numbers. >>> This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft mail program >>> reports problems, please read http://lemis.com/broken-MUA.php >>> >> --000000000000253dbf061bd672ee Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
One other thought.=C2=A0 Given the formal process that IE= EE required us to use for proposals and making additions/corrections - real= ly have a hard time imagining rms being willing to have put up with those p= rocesses or frankly the rest of the committee putting up with him in genera= l.=C2=A0 It takes a special type of person that can compromise to be a part= of a group like that.=C2=A0 Rms is not cut out of that cloth. =C2=A0

Sent from a handheld expect more typo= s than usual


On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 11:02= =E2=80=AFPM Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote:



On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 10:46=E2=80=AFPM C= lem Cole <clemc@ccc.c= om> wrote:
Garbage.=C2=A0 Rms was never at any early IEEE meeting that I was at - you= could smell him a mile away as he rarely bathed.=C2=A0 I certainly knew hi= m in those days.=C2=A0 I also have an early draft with all participants nam= ed and he is not one of them!!=C2=A0

Sent from a handheld expect more typos than usual


On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 9:11=E2=80=AFPM Greg 'groggy' Le= hey <grog@lemis.com<= /a>> wrote:
On Wednesday, 26 Jun= e 2024 at 20:44:12 -0400, Clem Cole wrote:
> rms had nothing to do with the name posix.=C2=A0 I have no idea where = that
> comment came from.

At the very least, from rms himself:
https://stallman.org/articles/posix.html
There's a reference to this page in the Wikipedia page on POSIX.

> The p1003 committee for Ieee was the portable operating system standar= d and
> at the time adding ix was the norm.=C2=A0 POSIX became the term we all= used to
> refer to the work we doing.=C2=A0 Rms was not involved in any way

rms suggests that he was involved in the committee?=C2=A0 Not true?=C2=A0 M= aybe
a different, related committee?

Greg
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