From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 15887 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2022 15:37:15 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 30 Jun 2022 15:37:15 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D813340CDB; Fri, 1 Jul 2022 01:36:37 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-wr1-f41.google.com (mail-wr1-f41.google.com [209.85.221.41]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C4E2B40CDA for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2022 01:36:32 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-wr1-f41.google.com with SMTP id r20so27887620wra.1 for ; Thu, 30 Jun 2022 08:36:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=exch+iZy064KVkWdxnqE7csoMXoqDvI/vhpIJiaGJOU=; b=OoWs04bHIShTANXe9jSN5tcV0OlRroc+XzUwUF5ic2z3o+6oua69Bs4S2cIuuFb5A7 lYpqUgICjjuWAYXkSngv0yJlVcLQfAulg7HzP3oF/UL4PmOIBhDLFL7wU4RAiFHRcj8q JXhuu/Jby+e/NdNBC97b7LK7M6tvufqrib0M8= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=exch+iZy064KVkWdxnqE7csoMXoqDvI/vhpIJiaGJOU=; b=zXkPGUgEqbbDBUmOewdLLURXRY85qTd1uCsNhtrJXvT7zIuzbYDnWCjQ6UFFRVbnpI YEpUFbrlVo7QKEBz8POCOurxOzbXYC6Wb/kl5M/wDiMtm48UcumhpbX5OoBCdo4ovXzH pLUjelVAdkCfVk8rChrcPoy7jlbWfAWFIniaUQgBN69m1KgJzC5Nu75i/zOmtcZsJaIU xCpqqwL2EyXGu3uRshq8ijkk2KH5CCQEg5nCsV/QQqRo1jYScxU0QkdJG9j+22+kPd1A x+g/Cw+4mAoPROXu/k4Dw5Aytd0/5OYUSV82HNMlm6qs4DoxGZM9V7pfntPBqLhsxw0y /8rQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AJIora+udgOCEdWxLK2qrpeFqzWlBlhv70+kf1uscl9wJGtUoFIpafB1 l5ikrAKqnEVqpS6McEZPAhSMszAwrUY8XFDW7UCph7dua7c= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGRyM1stxiK6EbbIwN+rfKfrldP4YFJNlFpSenY9hOaVgxktR5de4G0Pz08rj8V32PCjuYqLC3+vXbZNp8t/ZCXbuEc= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:64ec:0:b0:21b:aa79:623e with SMTP id g12-20020a5d64ec000000b0021baa79623emr9302979wri.710.1656603331117; Thu, 30 Jun 2022 08:35:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <180245D1-0DCD-4C2C-A26A-EF68578FD548@canb.auug.org.au> In-Reply-To: From: Clem Cole Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2022 11:35:03 -0400 Message-ID: To: Marc Donner Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000015dc4c05e2ac0576" Message-ID-Hash: 57VGTMGPVHUTKVL4AWSNBMZGNBGWDBQS X-Message-ID-Hash: 57VGTMGPVHUTKVL4AWSNBMZGNBGWDBQS X-MailFrom: clemc@ccc.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: steve jenkin , TUHS X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: "9 skills our grandkids won't have" - Is this a TUHS topic? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --00000000000015dc4c05e2ac0576 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable a few more ... - the sounds of an ASR 33 - why bang, and splat are called that - the sounds of terminal room - running 'system' diagnostics - what 'dumping core' refers too - rolling an unspooled DECtape up after dropping it and stepping on it, and it still reading - the concept/use of PPT - entering the RIM loader for the PDP-8 from the front panel, so you could load the rest of the boot from PPT - entering the board program into a PDP-8 11/45 without an M792 diode 'ROM' board. - Watching the idle pattern on the lights Note the last 3 can be re-lived with a PiDP-8 or PiDP-11 =E1=90=A7 =E1=90=A7 On Thu, Jun 30, 2022 at 11:23 AM Clem Cole wrote: > > > - that goes with >>dialing<< the phone and putting it in the rubber > cups after you hear the tone from the FSK modem at that other end. > - putting your deck into run queue and waiting for your turn to get 5 > seconds of compile and 3 seconds of CPU time for a student job > - being limited to > .5M of storage (if you had any at all) > - If you were an operator > - handing a tape change request > - starting/stopping the batch system to let students' jobs run > - changing the print train > - moving a plot tape from the computer to the plotter for output > - changing disks > - what a disk crash actually sounds like (and looks like on the > platters) > > =E1=90=A7 > > On Thu, Jun 30, 2022 at 9:41 AM Marc Donner wrote= : > >> Programming an 026 skip card. Inserting the skip card. >> Using ed in kernel safe mode to fix a broken config file. >> Threading a half-inch tape in a tape drive. Remembering to insert or >> remove the write ring. >> Cleaning floppy disk heads. >> Manually keying a boot program into an SDS-930. >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> nygeek.net >> mindthegapdialogs.com/home >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 30, 2022 at 9:14 AM steve jenkin >> wrote: >> >>> What are the 1970=E2=80=99s & 1980=E2=80=99s Computing / IT skills =E2= =80=9Cour grandkids won=E2=80=99t >>> have=E2=80=9D? >>> >>> Whistling into a telephone while the modem is attached, because your >>> keyboard has a stuck key >>> - something I absolutely don=E2=80=99t miss. >>> >>> Having a computer in a grimy wharehouse with 400 days of uptime & >>> wondering how a reboot might go? >>> >>> steve j >>> >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> >>> 9 Skills Our Grandkids Will Never Have >>> < >>> https://blog.myheritage.com/2022/06/9-skills-our-grandkids-will-never-h= ave/ >>> > >>> >>> 1: Using record players, audio cassettes, and VCRs >>> 2: Using analog phones >>> [ or an Analog Clock ] >>> 3. Writing letters by hand and mailing them >>> 4. Reading and writing in cursive >>> 5. Using manual research methods >>> [ this is a Genealogy site ] >>> 6. Preparing food the old-fashioned way >>> 7. Creating and mending clothing >>> 8. Building furniture from scratch >>> 9. Speaking the languages of their ancestors >>> >>> -- >>> Steve Jenkin, IT Systems and Design >>> 0412 786 915 (+61 412 786 915) >>> PO Box 38, Kippax ACT 2615, AUSTRALIA >>> >>> mailto:sjenkin@canb.auug.org.au http://members.tip.net.au/~sjenkin >>> >>> --00000000000015dc4c05e2ac0576 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
a few more ...
  • the sounds of an ASR 33= - why bang, and splat are called that
  • the sounds of terminal room<= /li>
  • running 'system' diagnostics
  • what 'dumping core= ' refers=C2=A0too
  • rolling an=C2=A0unspooled DECtape up after dr= opping it and stepping on it, and it still reading
  • the concept/use = of PPT
  • entering the RIM loader for the PDP-8 from the front panel, = so you could load the rest of the boot from PPT
  • entering the board = program into a PDP-8 11/45 without an M792 diode 'ROM' board.
  • Watching the idle pattern on the lights

Note the last 3 can be re-lived=C2=A0with a PiDP-8 or PiDP-11

<= /div>
3D""=E1=90=A7
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On Thu, Jun 30, 2022= at 11:23 AM Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote:

  • that goes with >= ;>dialing<< the phone and putting it in the rubber cups after you = hear the tone from the FSK modem at that other end.
  • putting your de= ck into run queue and waiting for your turn to get 5 seconds of compile and= 3 seconds of CPU time for a student job=C2=A0
  • being limited to >= ; .5M of storage (if you had any at all)
  • If you were an operator
    • handing a tape change request
    • starting/stopping the batch= system to let students' jobs run
    • changing=C2=A0the print train=
    • moving a plot tape from the computer to the plotter for output
    • changing disks=C2=A0
  • what a disk crash actually sounds li= ke (and looks like on the platters)
3D""=E1=90=A7=

On Thu, Jun 30, 2022 at 9:41 AM Marc Donner <marc.donner@gmail.com> wrote:=
Programming an 026 skip card.=C2=A0 Inserting the skip card.
Using ed in kernel safe mode to fix a broken config file.
Threading a half-inch tape in a tape drive.=C2=A0 Remembering= to insert or remove the write ring.
Cleaning floppy disk h= eads.
Manually keying a boot program into an SDS-930.
=

On Thu, Jun 30, 2022 at 9:14 AM s= teve jenkin <sjenkin@canb.auug.org.au> wrote:
What are the 1970=E2=80=99s & 1980=E2=80=99s= Computing / IT skills =E2=80=9Cour grandkids won=E2=80=99t have=E2=80=9D?<= br>
Whistling into a telephone while the modem is attached, because your keyboa= rd has a stuck key
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0- something I absolutely don=E2=80=99t mi= ss.

Having a computer in a grimy wharehouse with 400 days of uptime & wonde= ring how a reboot might go?

steve j

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

9 Skills Our Grandkids Will Never Have
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 <https://blog.myheritage.com/2022/06/9-skills-our-grandkids-will-neve= r-have/>

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1: Using record players, audio cassettes, and V= CRs
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 2: Using analog phones=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 [ or an Analog Clock ]
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 3. Writing letters by hand and mailing them
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4. Reading and writing in cursive
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 5. Using manual research methods=C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 [ this is a Genealogy site ]
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 6. Preparing food the old-fashioned way
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 7. Creating and mending clothing
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 8. Building furniture from scratch
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 9. Speaking the languages of their ancestors
--
Steve Jenkin, IT Systems and Design
0412 786 915 (+61 412 786 915)
PO Box 38, Kippax ACT 2615, AUSTRALIA

mailto:sjenki= n@canb.auug.org.au http://members.tip.net.au/~sjenkin
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