From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 81080e1f for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2019 19:28:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 856229BD74; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 05:28:09 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E73093D21; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 05:27:41 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b="EKFyOco2"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 1ED3C93D21; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 05:27:39 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-wm1-f47.google.com (mail-wm1-f47.google.com [209.85.128.47]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1C32193D07 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 05:27:37 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-wm1-f47.google.com with SMTP id v17so7287531wml.4 for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2019 12:27:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=ULq4oA1NPRijZVQTT2cmEM+5tagYqmb7ePdmqtC3Z/s=; b=EKFyOco2mC7XCvw8jZv21PQhy9V3AS649WLDym4Qgat5L+3EBG0nfwOdOuF5BSmlbB oKqZpoM6l6W1/mj1nPS9vXs4R0AvCFiSd+FsjDXGGl+JytchHHsvmvwYppQD7IeY9S6C oLMzThl+RYgrabuIg74/MLJtXXUmh2LBlAHcQ= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ULq4oA1NPRijZVQTT2cmEM+5tagYqmb7ePdmqtC3Z/s=; b=KtdiyqwrCF00XSjOEhyrnF2Oht4HhFK7JDlsnISq4ZEJZCc7/AFiTQ5iYBZ5UnxYxG 3prtKH0VOHoXm9IpHBLMZc3hInGcfEwgE8BXfwI9cKATfSG0VTCjpc/MJWXOpjjtEajN 8ic6sD4vxiQdYvdQSZFSC57zyaiSVY+At67MXX42SBQ0GiZYd5wMzkvQHSm2BaF9IUeM hE4Sm3y0554WiytZwfTyCwKmv11R1JpgvUxiHtDlOxRN65V35IutgfPvL1Ti0DveF0Xe sFO4wXmA4KU9/dI1bP6uKmhAE4/N0+kFE1G7nhRMw34PVM3PTQO7bbtgWSsEtbxD78yC LhVg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAU941oGhCS47DnBlu4Kr5oqdmGdl0h3njAG+nlW7fQBCjHl41UI N+I/mp2exChQn52HzjuK4mEtxdxVPqwsJtIDxEOMkw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqz2cWPZShhvPXHzOZl6TCgver68RjHbV7yxBb0GGAp8RCSFg0DZ9pmQ8XIMCsNLqy0ew2MmTr1zhDeeqcNPiec= X-Received: by 2002:a1c:f317:: with SMTP id q23mr10950604wmq.33.1568575655397; Sun, 15 Sep 2019 12:27:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <201909132024.x8DKObEP013266@darkstar.fourwinds.com> <463d5cc4-9bef-9ac3-a680-a5161d664dc1@aueb.gr> <20190913221345.GA16129@minnie.tuhs.org> <20190914020240.GO2046@mcvoy.com> <20190914024433.GA19193@minnie.tuhs.org> In-Reply-To: <20190914024433.GA19193@minnie.tuhs.org> From: Clem Cole Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2019 15:27:10 -0400 Message-ID: To: Warren Toomey Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000be61f505929c7aae" Subject: Re: [TUHS] earliest Unix roff X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000be61f505929c7aae Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Warren, On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 10:44 PM Warren Toomey wrote: > > Here's a good page on the history: > https://manpages.bsd.lv/history.html Excellent - thanks for the pointer. This shows nroff before troff. FWIW: I guess I was miss informed, but I had been under the impression that was the other way around. i.e. nroff was done to be compliant with the new troff, replacing roff, although the suggestion here is that he wrote it add macros to roff. I'll note that either way, the dates are all possible of course because the U/L case ASR 37 was introduced 1968 so by the early 1970's they would have been around the labs. --000000000000be61f505929c7aae Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Warren,

On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 1= 0:44 PM Warren Toomey <wkt@tuhs.org&= gt; wrote:

Here's a good page on the history:
https://manpages.bsd.lv/history.html
E= xcellent - thanks for the pointer.=C2=A0 =C2=A0This shows nroff before trof= f.=C2=A0 =C2=A0FWIW: I guess I was miss informed, but I had been under the = impression that was the other way around.=C2=A0 i.e. nroff was done to be c= ompliant with the new troff, replacing roff, although the suggestion here i= s that he wrote it add=C2=A0macros to roff.=C2=A0 I'll note that either= way, the dates are all possible of course because the U/L case ASR 37 was = introduced 1968 so by the early 1970's they would have been around the = labs.=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0
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