From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id edcb7963 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 15:26:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 5172D93D74; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 01:26:23 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 560009C5E9; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 01:25:47 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccc.com header.i=@ccc.com header.b="VCSPt1rl"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 713F193D74; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 01:25:45 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qv1-f52.google.com (mail-qv1-f52.google.com [209.85.219.52]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4C64593D71 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 01:25:44 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qv1-f52.google.com with SMTP id i3so5856586qvv.7 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 07:25:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=5vyMWe7C+yvMxiiTYlqdaRhqs6DfbH2ZrRBjLpq+ZCI=; b=VCSPt1rlIjCa1+pkauBEJMAPD8qLPc0uQyB3NTi3ybUslvBhknopxYFiAWFZuNJB6U AX/OxEqJ+Ib69+9Zmi2/5dPr7VZlyMlS/NvAuBaBGZJcEVBu8nE3szRPwFr0gi5bM0EN zhrGBUXZ88vSsHhBBQ9YPUpan/3ZFm2VcMW+A= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=5vyMWe7C+yvMxiiTYlqdaRhqs6DfbH2ZrRBjLpq+ZCI=; b=FrvuPBBY/4OhiN+gg5yrpkHqEXYFCe7ShvaNocCjnf1Ov0/p/7MzL6tn4OD3mQnsKC C6EWUoJw6tWdny5baxC0NhMKMamc1WDK2weRzpjh+rxFFItTApSgjyU1cOsvb9aMgxdX ZWAP3fR0DwHFH44zCbfsScU1XwNCTVXCKLdHBISCInqj32OrtcZENNBR8sIxQEe5Vx1k XmX4l8YklZaUFGxNBActwsFksYE2cFRiq01J5MaTssbLTqWjsjKnvBCSL5CGNNfX47ZA SPW5SzhioEJ4CA34Zrn2dI7JmKzQk0yRT6u470iWSvAzfUQ1oNPsYCEIukwdbFPMuRYn VlsQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWvYFSi6/gQZ6wrffBfYFSu0OryQ/YjBMPL5pDqOcMzHQ5jaFKS xMDli91S12i3xl+VcBaRQUsCxBKSqwA6ZEl0wr8h3Q== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwYfnmnoaN+a3HkNWKYDKs7+djqwC7RjxsymUMerir4ngEhMVr1fXnFIgnA7fgqL1otYGc+8s9FJIQgdpwG/u4= X-Received: by 2002:a0c:904b:: with SMTP id o69mr21093812qvo.74.1574695542894; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 07:25:42 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20191124225239.GG18200@mcvoy.com> <201911250334.xAP3Y5T0098307@darkstar.fourwinds.com> In-Reply-To: From: Clem Cole Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 10:25:17 -0500 Message-ID: To: William Pechter Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000076d6a705982d6001" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Someone wants to use an exabyte [ really bulk erasing ] X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --00000000000076d6a705982d6001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Somewhere in the basement, I have tape eraser that was recommended by one of my brothers (who ran KHOU's Sports department for 30 years and it was a piece of gear they used all the time for professional video tapes). I haven't used it much, but I have used it for 9-tracks and seems to have worked. FWIW: I got it here at a (in)famous local electronics place near MIT (Eli Hefferon and Sons - 'A Nerdi Knight Holy Place') I must have gotten it in the early/mid 1980s for about $75, I remember it was much more expensive than the Radio Shack thing - but my bro said it really worked. At the time I was doing some consulting for a NYC law firm and I had to document to the courts that all the data I had been delivered was properly destroyed. They were satisfied and never heard anything more about it. It seems to have erased everything have had near it when it on. In fact, I was always a little worried that it will erase unintended stuff too when I use it. It hums and vibrates on the table and you are supposed to move the tape horizontal to it and make circular motions over it. I had taken my watch and wedding ring off the first time I ever tried it and it moved my watch from a table about 3 feet away. I was pretty impressed. On Sun, Nov 24, 2019 at 10:59 PM William Pechter wrote: > I was successful with a Radio Shack VHS tape eraser on floppy disks. > Should handle 8mm and DDS as well as VHS. No guarantee of the quality of > the wipe as far as data recovery on the tapes because I never had a drive > working long enough to test at home. Got DDS2 and exabyte jukeboxes but > the drives crapped out. > > Bill > > William Pechter > > ------------------------------ > *From:* TUHS on behalf of Jon Steinhart < > jon@fourwinds.com> > *Sent:* Sunday, November 24, 2019 10:34:05 PM > *To:* The Eunuchs Hysterical Society > *Subject:* Re: [TUHS] Someone wants to use an exabyte [ really bulk > erasing ] > > Dave Horsfall writes: > > On Mon, 25 Nov 2019, George Michaelson wrote: > > > > > I just failed with a Sun DAT drive. Cable and card bought online, > > > recognized by the mt command, but all it does is eject tapes. > > > > They're worse than 9-track tapes, and that's saying something :-) > > > > Oh, if you must use one, make sure to use data-quality tapes, not the > > cheaper media. > > > > -- Dave > > I have several generations of these too. I also have several crates of > 9-track tapes, QIC-24 tapes, QIC-150 tapes, and various generations of > DDS DAT tapes. I don't think that I have anything worth keeping on these > as I've transfered worthwhile stuff to newer media over time. Hard to > believe that the entire contents of a 9-track tape fit in a negligible > amount of memory these days. > > The thing that's kept me from getting these out of my basement is that > I'd prefer to erase them first, just in case. Does anybody have experience > with a decent bulk tape eraser? > > Jon > --00000000000076d6a705982d6001 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Somewhere in the basement, I have tape eraser that was = recommended by one of my brothers (who ran KHOU's Sports department for= 30 years and it was a piece of gear they used all the time for professiona= l video tapes). I haven't used it much, but I have used it for 9-tracks= and seems to have worked.=C2=A0 FWIW: I got it here at a (in)famous local = electronics place near MIT (Eli Hefferon and Sons - 'A Nerdi Knight Hol= y Place')=C2=A0 I must have gotten it in the early/mid 1980s for about = $75, I remember it was much more expensive than the Radio Shack thing - but= my bro said it really worked.=C2=A0 =C2=A0At the time I was doing some con= sulting for a NYC law firm and I had to document to the courts that all the= data I had been delivered was properly destroyed.=C2=A0 =C2=A0They were sa= tisfied=C2=A0and never heard anything more about it.

I= t seems to have erased everything have had near it when it on.=C2=A0 In fac= t, I was always a little worried that it will erase unintended=C2=A0stuff t= oo when I use it.=C2=A0 It hums and vibrates on the table and you are suppo= sed to move the tape horizontal to it and make circular=C2=A0motions over i= t.=C2=A0 I had taken my watch and wedding ring off the first time=C2=A0I e= ver tried it and it moved my watch from a table about 3 feet away.=C2=A0I w= as pretty impressed.

On Sun, Nov 24, 2019 at 10:59 PM William Pechter = <pechter@gmail.com> wrote:
I was successful with a Radio Shack VHS tape eraser on floppy disks.=C2=A0 = Should handle 8mm and DDS as well as VHS.=C2=A0 No guarantee of the quality= of the wipe as far as data recovery on the tapes because I never had a dri= ve working long enough to test at home.=C2=A0 Got DDS2 and exabyte jukeboxes but the drives crapped out.

Bill

William Pechter

F= rom: TUHS <tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org> on behalf of Jon Steinhart &l= t;jon@fourwinds.com<= /a>>
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 10:34:05 PM
To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society <tuhs@tuhs.org>
Subject: Re: [TUHS] Someone wants to use an exabyte [ really bulk er= asing ]
=C2=A0
Dave Horsfall writes:
> On Mon, 25 Nov 2019, George Michaelson wrote:
>
> > I just failed with a Sun DAT drive. Cable and card bought online,=
> > recognized by the mt command, but all it does is eject tapes.
>
> They're worse than 9-track tapes, and that's saying something = :-)
>
> Oh, if you must use one, make sure to use data-quality tapes, not the =
> cheaper media.
>
> -- Dave

I have several generations of these too.=C2=A0 I also have several crates o= f
9-track tapes, QIC-24 tapes, QIC-150 tapes, and various generations of
DDS DAT tapes.=C2=A0 I don't think that I have anything worth keeping o= n these
as I've transfered worthwhile stuff to newer media over time.=C2=A0 Har= d to
believe that the entire contents of a 9-track tape fit in a negligible
amount of memory these days.

The thing that's kept me from getting these out of my basement is that<= br> I'd prefer to erase them first, just in case.=C2=A0 Does anybody have e= xperience
with a decent bulk tape eraser?

Jon
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